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    Pres. Nelson Op Ed

    Literally "in the news" so had to put it here, though probably fits better in general discussion in terms of discussing what he wrote: https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2019/02/10/viewpoints-lds-leader-urges-spirituality-secular-world-visits-phoenix-area/2776270002/
  2. I think that depends on the purpose of the essay. There are tons of government info pages out there and authors aren't listed. When someone is functioning as a representative of an organization rather than an individual, I don't see a need.
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    "Why some people leave the Church"

    Thanks for the info, very interesting.
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    "Why some people leave the Church"

    Selfidentification in census seems to indicate a significant difference between membership numbers, but not rating even close to "most" at least in the US as church records place membership at 2.04% of general population while Pew research shows it at 1.7%...a difference of over a million, but that still leaves 5.5 million of the 6.6 million claimed by the Church as identifying themselves as members. http://www.pewforum.org/2009/07/24/a-portrait-of-mormons-in-the-us/#1 https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/facts-and-statistics/country/united-states While not identifying all those who don't attend, it would seem to identify those who have left mentally and physically, if not officially. Resignation numbers can be estimated and iirc, they have never been a significant percentage so likely wouldn't move the total numbers of those who don't attend, leave, or resign that much. Iirc, Clark Goble felt another survey estimated actual membership better, but I can't remember and don't want to dig out that info.
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    "Why some people leave the Church"

    I think people are introverted or extroverted or even both at the same time based on my own experience and what I observe in others. For example, it seems you need the social interaction of the board or you wouldn't have lasted or posted as much as you have over the years. My husband is a professor and has always loved to go to activities with friends and family, but one of his favorite things is long, loner motorcycle rides and hikes in the mountains. I see myself as someone with terminal shyness because of how I felt growing up and yet I am the top poster in numbers on this board and in many ways can't keep my mouth shut these days around anyone. I can feel the panic of the shyness and the enjoyment of the conversation at the same time. People are full of different emotions, which interact in oh so many ways. It is why we are so hard to figure out.
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    "Why some people leave the Church"

    There was a time when I could not tolerate staying after the Sacrament. It was a BYU married student ward in an old building and the noise of the children would be physically unbearable to me. RS was in a semi basement that had pipes and pillars around the room and a very low ceiling. I saw it then and now as nothing done wrong by either the Church, the local community, or myself. Sometimes you can do everything right and so can everyone else and yet you still will be depressed, claustrophobic, anxious, whatever. If this can happen because of physical causes as in my case, I see no reason not to believe it may happen in emotional, mental, or spiritual cases or combinations of them.
  7. And Dehlin uses “we”, not “I” in describing the publishing and promotion of the essay project.
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    Left Hand

    The inference that this means everything the prophet says is scripture is not automatically true though. For me it means I need to look for other signs besides "thus saith the Lord" to determine what is scripture. Plus I don't view scripture as infallible or the interpretation of scripture as even close to infallible.
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    "Why some people leave the Church"

    This wasn't done by the Church, but volunteered to it by a group using in part a survey that included John Dehlin as an author, iirc (I believe the numbers match). From Dehlin's Why Mormons Question survey:
  10. I think you need to compare average exmormon who hangs out in online communities discussing Mormon topics with the average Saint who does the same. Unless you are defining exmormon as having officially resigned as opposed to just not selfidentifying as part of the Church anymore.
  11. If they were, this would not be seen as the extreme oddity that it is.
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    Left Hand

    I have moved a baby most likely, but only because I am extremely right handed and I just don't reach with my left hand. I remember being annoyed when my right is pinned against the pew so I don't have enough clearance to move it. Unless you polled people, given the majority are right handed, I am not sure how one can be certain they are reaching with the right hand because of a belief and not because it is their dominant hand.
  13. I think it apropriate to call them Dehlin's essays because it appears he is overseeing the project. At the very least he is one of the "we's" involved. Otoh, I think given it is stated that the essays are collective works, it probably would be best when speaking of specific claims, to say "the authors" or "Mormonstories" or some other label that indicates it is a collective work, thus avoiding the possible inappropriate attachment of a belief to Dehlin himself. Having said that, if there is no disclaimer attached, I would assume Dehlin has input and therefore if he disagreed could make changes easy enough, so if people label claims as his, it is his carelessness at not having a disclaimer that allows for that jump, imo. Scanned the intro page and the treasure seeking page. No disclaimer. ----- Confusion may also arise when podcasts are included as part of the topic page, so it appears as a continuation of the essay section and Dehlin uses "I".
  14. I agree comments about mental health are inappropriate, but my degree was in clinical psychology and I was trained to interview and draw out the client as opposed to spending the time talking myself, so I do think he could have picked up some basic pointers at least in his field of study.
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    "Why some people leave the Church"

    Where is canard? I want his analysis of the data collecting methodology. https://thenextmormons.org/methodology/
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    Left Hand

    You should use "purely for cosmetic purposes plastic surgery" when comparing to piercings and tattoos . I had plastic surgery to get help with head, back, and neck pain My husband had it to fix a muscle in his finger. A friend had it repair her stomach muscles in hopes that her lower back pain could be controlled.
  17. My understanding is the essays have been done by someone besides John Dehlin. They are posted on his site. There is an explanation of authorship somewhere on his site, probably in the intro of them.
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    Left Hand

    I highly doubt Pres. Oaks sees using the right hand as some automatic/magical movement that will endow the person with a spiritual experience no matter what they are thinking or if they are thinking at all. I see his approach as more likely 'if one carefully and prayerfully focuses on how one is performing the sacramental rite, understanding one is making a covenant with God and using their right hand with thought and understanding for this purpose, the rite will become deeper and more meaningful to them and therefore open them up to the Spirit in new ways'. It is possible due to the repetition of the act that we can stop actually thinking about what we are doing and let our minds wander. I find it difficult to concentrate myself at times. I tend to read scriptures or the hymnbook to try and keep my focus. In the future this conversation will pop into my head at times and make me more aware of how my hand moves and takes the bread, of the hand of the deacon who is passing it and therefore the deacon himself, perhaps the Priesthood by which he and others perform the work...and hopefully on into other things that may lead me to a greater bond with God and my community. By thinking about what we are doing in little ways, it may help us better focus on the bigger context of the covenant and Atonement. Otoh, hyperfocusing to the point of worry rather than wonder on details of a rite in and of themselves rather than in the context of the entire experience, physical and spiritual, might lead to distraction and less understanding and thus closing off from the Spirit, so I think one can take this too far.
  19. I had a longer than usual errand and driving a lot needed a boost today, so enjoyed a Pepsi...just takes forever to clear, sigh.
  20. People can't sleep tonight or all you West Coast or beyond?
  21. Like I said before, I think the whole women are special by nature is overdone and I don't like the message that might send to boys, just as I have a problem of primary lessons that single out boys as potential Priesthood holders while having nothing similar for the girls. But even so, that above is a far cry from labeling women as perfect and men as insensitive.
  22. Have you actually been in the building? Iirc, Robert has.
  23. So it specifically says women aren't perfect ( except perhaps his wife I am guessing) and that women aren't the only positive influence in society, so I don't see how that backs up your claim at all. I do think they have overdone the " women are special by their nature" bit, I think that is a bunch of bs.
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    Book of Abraham / Horus

    My issue is why God would do such an extreme trick to hide his work when the scriptures talk about all creation being a witness.
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    Book of Abraham / Horus

    It would have to be something that consistently affected everything currently known in existence without leaving a currently observable trace of itself...possible perhaps, but unlikely. For example men living longer....their bones would have to appear as if they aged at the same rate as they do now, this would have to include internal processes as well as environmental ones (for example, think of the increase in healed minor injuries that could be seen in bones if they were living up to ten times longer....do older bones show a higher rate of injuries and then suddenly decrease?).
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