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  1. Might be confusing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_International
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    As far as I am certain add-on: close, not bad for a guess
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    When I moved to Canada, I didn't keep my US driver's license in my wallet (once I got my Canadian one). It served no purpose for me.
  4. If there is proof found that she told Leavitt, was interviewed by Asay, and that her claims against Bishop were valid (the possibility currently exists she lied from the beginning just as the possibility exists that Leavitt lied and the Church reps lied), her behaviour after the fact will become irrelevant, imo. But until there is proof of those three things, all the public currently has to go on are the credibility of Leavitt and Denson and Church leadership and therefore her post1987 behaviour is currently relevant because what can currently be judged as far as Bishop's behaviour in the past and the meetings is primarily what she is publicly saying in the here and now. Add-on: Leavitt, Bishop, and Church leadership's behaviour in terms of credibility issues is also relevant, but I haven't heard anything about Leavitt, limited info on Bishop has been widely discussed, and Church leadership....how to determine credibility has also been widely discussed, info is also limited and there has been tons of discussion about whether that is appropriate or not. No one, as far as .I can tell, has been exempted from discussion of public info. Everyone has been dissected, imo.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    One potentially positive aspect of involving bishops is for the cases that fall through the gaps of governmental involvement. Even if reported, CPS only investigates 55% of those reports. It may be the Church can help in these kinds of noninvestigated cases. At the very least, interviews could add an additional source of information. https://www.d2l.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Statistics_6_Reporting.pdf I personally think a wider range of trained adults for children to report to, getting more adults involved is better than removing options for children. Rather than removing interviews, I would like to see greater training. I get that bishops have limited time, but if they are handling youth and adult interviews, I think it would be wise to find ways to delegate responsibilities in other areas and take the extra time to devote to training. I would love to see the Church designate a fifth Sunday yearly for ward training and provide materials specific to the area as well (such as info on cell phone use among kids and how to help your kids deal with friends who 'overshare'). This could be quite costly, but they could open up a specific fund for it through their humanitarian services perhaps to help defray costs.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    The stats are rather horrifying. My grandkids won't get phones until 16, but their friends have them and pass them around.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    While the research is probably not out there, I would be curious to find out the percentage of parents who desire to restrict bishop interviews also restrict cell phone possession for their children and push for that in their schools. http://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sexual-abuse-teachers/
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    It looks like reporting goes up when a child discloses, but that phrasing suggests it doesn't always happen. Will see if I can find those studies online for more details. add- on: didn't find specific details. Most kids, however, don't report it, so if abuse is to be stopped, it has to be done by adults who are suspicious. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean it gets investigated given CPS are not funded enough to do so in this country.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I forgot the link, my apologies.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    You think they aren't being taught to report to teachers now?
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    And you dictating this will influence children to do so how? Most of the bishops I have known it wouldn't even occur to them to think of the "good name" of the Church if a child was being abused. I do believe training could always be improved upon. I don't see reporting to a teacher as a magic bullet. And yet estimated 84% of cases go unreported by them. https://academic.oup.com/her/article/23/6/941/556308
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    How much do HCs speak at all? It would identify anyone who was wearing it if they spoke. And if they only edited out the one voice, someone in the meeting might remember and identify them. I do agree the most like option is Sam Young or his wife, but I do not rule out other possibilities. Given there are those who recorded their discussions with leaders even when they said they weren't recording or weren't going to or implied by statement or silence they weren't recording, since I don't know Young I assume, however, most likely he follows this pattern.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I think there is an appeal to many supporting Young that there was at least one HC secretly supportive as well, even if not brave enough to identify himself. I don't think it is solely about defending Young from being labeled a liar.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    But one could use the same argument for allowing one on one interviews with minors because some may choose to report abuse to bishops when they wouldn't report it to others. In this case, the bishop interview is the seat belt.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Not all states require background checks on doctors, I believe. PS: I don't think a criminal background check for bishops would be too costly, seems like a good idea imo.
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