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  1. No, you don't need to ask.
  2. No we don't. The article you quote states the handbook requires annotations in the case of same sex sexual activity. Local leaders may have interpreted it that way and annotated identification or feelings that way, but that is not policy from the article. The article also says the practice is waning.
  3. It is not a pretend marriage in the cases I know. That is rather insulting to suggest, imo.
  4. Sure to the first, not quite for the second. I know of two men who identify as gay who are married to a woman and who in my opinion look like mission President material. A woman who identified as gay and was married to a man could be called as mission matron or whatever the elders call her (probably Sister _______) alongside her husband, (I may have misread the question...applying "gay" to both man and woman when rereading it looks like that wasn't meant)
  5. Thanks for explaining. I was having a hard time understanding where you were going because I was assuming you had realized it was a quote...then it finally occurred to me you weren't including that info in anything so may have missed it.
  6. Metis mentioned it earlier though didn't quote the whole scripture, so I was wondering if it satisfied you or not. I was thinking you might have missed it...or just not really processed it as happens to me sometimes when stuff isn't spelled out.
  7. So since I got the rep point, was that what you were looking for? or was it something else?
  8. https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/84.27-28?lang=eng#p26
  9. His advice for those getting married tended to be more detailed in that he thought they should be from similar backgrounds of faith, education, economic status, and race (back in his day interracial marriages were put under a lot more stress than today, so if that was his reasoning it is consistent with his other recommendations) are the ones I remember. Given stats show greater disparity has higher divorce rates, encouraging coming from similar backgrounds is not unreasonable. If they don't, I think it even more important to discuss expectations prior to marriage and agreeing on a plan (while willing to adapt when necessary because predicting everything isn't possible) such as expected family numbers, household responsibilities, financial plans, future education and career plans, social expectations including church involvement, where one wants to end up living...high or low mobility preferences, political views and planned method to keep them congenial if they differ, etc. And even food preferences (I would have preferred to go vegetarian when I was younger, but husband wouldn't and I was too lazy and not committed enough to cook differently for us...and if I had married someone like my dad who hated the stuff I loved to cook...) Church's current advice under "Mate Selection": https://www.lds.org/study/manual/eternal-marriage-student-manual/mate-selection?lang=eng Common "background factors" is still suggested, but without listing what those might be.
  10. A first/legal wife wanting to divorce from a plural husband would not be different from monogamous wives divorcing, would she?
  11. I believe Juliann means that nonmember women came to Utah in order to use the easier divorce requirements like they used to (does anyone still do this?) for Nevada. She has provided sources on that long ago, hopefully she still has them if you need the CFR for that.
  12. It is unlikely in my view polygamy will be reinstated unless there is widespread (as in multinational) governmental approval of it. I can see it as possible opening up polygamy in countries where it is legal, though unless there is a huge change in concentration of Saints, I think it will be necessary for the US to be one of those countries...at least take the antipolygamy laws off the books...which may be happening sooner than later. Are there not mainstream Christian groups that already do this (allow members of polygamous families to join their congregations) and if so, has this impacted how they are viewed? Lutherans appear to allow polygamists to be baptized, but in most places once members cannot marry more wives if I understand the rule correctly. Anglicans as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity#Lutheran_Church If the Church starts expecting It of leaders or calling people to the practice as in the past, that might impact people's perception...but if there is widespread acceptance of it already in the culture, who knows imo. Cultural acceptance changes both much slower (racism) and much faster (SSM) than I would expect.
  13. Would you think it appropriate to speculate any other happy couple might divorce later down the road? If both experienced only OSA, would you automatically worry they might go the route Tiger Woods' marriage did (or any other OSA marriage ending in divorce)? Wouldn't it be better to be supportive of their choice to commit to each other? (And lest someone think I am a hypocrite, if someone chooses a ssm, I believe they should be encouraged to live faithfully together as everyone should live the Law as they understand it to the best of their ability and I assume those who choose ssm believe that is the Law).
  14. Widows have been required to be unsealed if they want to be sealed to a second husband. However, if they stay sealed to their deceased first husband, once all are dead they may be sealed to their later husbands.
  15. Anyone know if once a couple with a sealing cancelation dies, if they can be sealed again by children or others? Can divorced couples be sealed when dead?
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