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  1. I have always been impressed in Utah of the mix of small, older housing and newer ones. It makes for a sometimes disorienting visual picture, but the social mix is great imo. In areas of completely new growth, there isn't quite the diversity...a farmhouse left from the orchards and fields here and there, but elsewhere quite interesting. We have houses built in the late 1800s and early 1900s, a number of the really blah bungalows of the 50s and 60s, my street has a third of the homes built late 80s and early 90s and then we have a half dozen or so quite wealthy built in the last decade (land is too high here for building small these days). Up the hill a little way we have a mix of old farmhouses with their barns and mansions.
  2. My husband (who has a big investment in the topic seeing his paycheck comes from the state education choices) has often in the past pointed to the huge amount of federal land in Utah, thus lowering its ability to get taxes going into the state budget from those lands. It would be interesting to contrast it with Wyoming on that level. Teachers salaries might play into it as well. BYU turns out masses of teachers and it used to be hard to find a job (don't know current status), that would tend to drive salaries down, lower costs. Utah is also not that big on unions, so I suspect that the Teachers' Union or whatever it is called doesn't have as much influence. I also get the impression that the rule makers think getting better tech in the classes somehow solves all the problems. My grandson's 1st grade teacher was furious they had provided all the classrooms with this massive screen with elaborate functions which she did not have time to learn how to use because of the size of her class. Plus they were eliminating one of the enrichment programs in favor of spending more time prepping for the tests that got them their money. There wasn't any room in the class because a quarter of it was devoted to tech stuff. It was crowding out the reading and socializing areas.
  3. I would say the involvement of parents in their kids' school life is what makes the difference. Having lived long enough in 7 different places to observe how much parents get involved, Utah in my experience is very high. Part of it is stay at home mothers, but as a room mother for almost all of the years my children were in elementary and a volunteer after that, outside of Utah even among stay at home parents, few volunteered. I don't know if studies are still consistently showing parental involvement one of the top indicators of academic success, but they were all that way in the past, iirc.
  4. I would disagree. Putting effort into changing attitudes can change them. Interesting you chose food. My son started to cook for fun and suddenly he was liking more foods overnight as a teen where before he had a very limited palate. Suddenly he adored mushrooms once he was the one cooking them. If I cook something, my daughter doesn't enjoy it as much as when my daughter-in-law does it (whether because it is different or my dial has made more numerous elaborate meals so "good food" is associated with her in my daughter's mind or it is seen as a treat or something else, the same thing can be rejected as unpleasant that is enjoyed in her dishes that week). My memory says there are studies that show when you invest in something, you become more positive towards it. They were teaching this back when I was in college so I am assuming this is well known by now as I am not finding references this afternoon as got to get moving by 1.
  5. This was the first prelude music this week and the most interesting piece.
  6. We had three young man in a row go to the same state, Utah, when the Olympics were here (we were Canadians at the time). Two were in theOgden mission, one in Provo. Another one at that time (we had like a dozen of that age, which was fantastic for our son) went to New Zealand. I don't know if that was simply ramping up for the increased interest and visitors for the Olympics, getting Canadians down here so they would enjoy going to some of the more obscure events (iirc, they got to go to the curling event), or just coincidence. My son had been in Russia and his cousin with slightly more experience than he had been called there, so that is what we expected. Instead he gets called to a mission where he has a number of cousins living. And he had been born in Utah... We wondered if they were grateful for someone they didn't have to hassle with visas with.
  7. While I agree with you, what appeals can change over time, including through attempting to align oneself to God.
  8. Deleted because I should abide by mods' preferences as a guest on their board. Just saying here I am not a mod if you were under that impression, MVG.
  9. Could be your neighborhood. Not in mine (and we have a number of wealthy people). A number of lovely homes, some obviously high end, but don't see the other stuff much. Add-on: in case I wasn't clear, I do think people don't usually think too much about wanting something not of the usual staples like a house or car unless they see it visually (really obvious point, think food commercials). If a person brings in a new toy to the neighborhood, then as others see it, they will start considering the advantages of having it. See it multiple times and they might talk themselves into having it. So one person getting something might lead to a number of people getting it. Only thing that may have happened like that in my neighborhood is chickens. There were a couple of years neighbors decided to experiment based on good reports from other neighbors (fresh eggs and they ate the grasshoppers which were a big trouble at that time); a number of them stuck to it; others didn't. Easier to get rid of a chicken than an RV.
  10. Good to hear.
  11. I think Clark is looking for easily accessible to Utah County., Logan may be a 3 hour trip for many if they chose to live at home.
  12. We are all gung-ho about that happening here in this home. Feel free to tell the state to funnel more education dollars to us.
  13. From what I have heard...limited of course...the long term plan is definitely open to that, but there is a responsibility felt to the nontraditional students that they have been serving all these years with high quality programs. They want to expand while bringing along those with more immediate practical needs. Keep what they do best while expanding what they can do and making sure it is high quality. At least some of the admin and profs see inserting practical flavors into the more academic coursework can yield a more financially capable graduate. There has been resistance to blending the two (not as in a total blending, but rather providing enough opportunity so that students understand their options better, know how to take advantage of possibilities), but hopefully the good guys will win in the end. ----- I agree with the appraisal of BYU. They have, for example, some fantastic scientists there (that have made them a ton of money with their research), but there isn't a lot of support for them expanding their work imo (I may be totally off on this hearing it secondhand and adding my own read between the lines). As the Church's university, it is a huge draw to a lot of high quality profs, but they are not providing them with as much opportunity to create a new generation of specialists as they could.
  14. "As I think I mentioned it's now larger than BYU." A few years ago, there were more students leaving BYU to go to UVU than the reverse as it had been. My husband has worked to get various practical classes/ topics included in the usual academic ones so as to make the academic degrees more useful in the real world. One example is providing an class in entrepreneurship throughout the university in order to help students who are prone to being self starters learn how best to go about it to lead to greater success with their projects plus open up students who don't see themselves that way to exploring the possibility that may be something they would like to do. When it is difficult to get a job in your career path or even a decent job at all, rather than hoping something opens up eventually or settling for something less desirable, moving into starting your own business can be a wise decision (if it is done in a practical way and not pie in the sky ). It is also a great way for young adults to get funds to back them up while looking for a more traditional career path (he has had a few students turn their lawn care or other summer job into a multimillion dollar business) or for a mother who wants to make contribute financially to the family do so. UVU has a very useful niche with their trade background. Meshing it with the more traditional academic rather than shunting it aside as lesser value, something that can be provided by a trade school, seems to me to be the best path it could follow to fulfill the needs of its students.
  15. I think they are actually doing both. The switch to University required getting more research Ph.Ds on the faculty, my husband was one of them. They are slowly adding some graduate programs in my understanding, he seems to always be talking about one or another in the works. They are also trying to maintain their relationship with the nontraditional student and provide better options for them. I love the varied approach. It is my favorite place of employment for him yet, quite grateful he ended up here rather than BYU.