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  1. I had a small silver cross that was attached to the zipper on my Bible cover. I carried it through my mission, then to church every Sunday for 30 years. Occasionally a member would comment on it. But as you mentioned, mostly no one really cared. I agree. If you want to wear a cross, then by all means, do so.
  2. Or they could be sustained as the corporation of the the first presidency. A legal title which they hold. The church is a successful and well run organization. It has amassed substantial wealth and real estate holdings. I would place the leadership of the church in the same category the heads of IBM, Microsoft and other long running and profitable companies. IMO there is nothing to distinguish the church leadership from any one of a dozen or so top corporations.
  3. Another lawyer called to be the church historian. It seems to me that if the church was truly interested in presenting and preserving their history, they would call a professional historian to the position. Leonard Arrington was the last (and I think only) real historian that held the position. He promoted open access to church records, accurate research and honest reporting. The church wanted correlation, spin and control. Arrington was released in 1982.
  4. Thank you for posting this. Also, welcome to the forum.
  5. Agreed. What evidence is there of this at all. None.
  6. I agree. When you look back over the history of the church and all the things that were practiced that have been changed or disavowed, I have a hard time thinking that god is that schizophrenic. I don't believe that god gives a "revelation" then totally does a 180 three years later. A much more believable explanation to me (and apparently many, many others) is that this is all coming from men. Men in charge that exercise their authority and make their decisions.
  7. It wasn't presented in conference again. Not faith promoting. The SLTrib has a story on it: Lowest net increase in 40 years, and the largest number of membership records ever removed in a single year — 140,868. https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/04/06/lds-church-tops-million/
  8. The missionary work was no reversal. That was a progression. There was no missionary work going on before Christ ordained the twelve. They started with the local population, then expanded out. Contrast that with today. The church position on gay marriage was well known. The harsh policy of exclusion (POX) in 2015 was a harsh doubling down that went as far as to exclude innocent children. Then three years later, under extreme social pressure, the "revelation" was totally reversed. Policy wise, the church is now back where is was prior to 2015. Hopefully something was learned about transparency and throwing around the "revelation" term.
  9. Nelson himself called it a revelation.
  10. They were probably just speaking as men.
  11. Yes, brother Hinckley and other leaders spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world with brother Russell Nelson. Just like in ten years from now, when this whole name change effort is abandoned and forgotten, it will be because even more light and knowledge has come into the world.
  12. I hope this is no joke because I just took the scissors to my quad. 😉
  13. Let's not forget "meet the mormons" movie: https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/meet-the-mormons-movie and the "Meet the mormons" book: https://www.amazon.com/Meet-Mormons-pictorial-introduction-Latter-day/dp/B0007DNK4I
  14. He was a inmate in the Utah State Prison in the 1980's. I was a prison guard at the time. Working my way through school. I spoke to him often. He was a disturbed, evil man. The evil seems to radiate off of him. He was the kind of man that you would cross the street to avoid.
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