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  1. I am unfamiliar with anyone who has done this...plus surely the church truth claims can withstand this kind of examination right?
  2. With all due respect...this post is offensive, that it also received rep votes by fellow posters is also offensive. I need to seriously reconsider why I even participate on this board I think.
  3. I think this advice is applicable here in this thread: http://www.sltrib.com/news/5225922-155/kirby-dont-let-your-mormon-children
  4. I don't see any organized effort by "those who have lost faith" to proselytize anyone. however the internet has given rise to tools that do level the playing field some. An influential blogger or podcaster can now have access to an audience that only a newspaper or broadcaster had access before...but all must still place their ideas into the same market place where their respective ideas are scrutinized, tested, challenged and either rise or fall on their own merits. Im guessing Elder Whitney doesn't like that this playing field has become more accommodating to alternative points of view.
  5. I'm a big believer in building bridges of mutual respect and understanding. Elder Whitneys message fails to do this. Disengagement from those with opinions that differ from our own is a recipe for isolation, insularity and places obstacles between believers and non in achieving mutual respect and understanding.
  6. I made this post late last night...I've corrected my title clearly he was referring to anyone both member or former member, who has lost their faith.
  7. What I would have preferred he said: young people, you are embarking today into a great world with many different challenge. You will meet people with many different philosophies and beliefs...some of these are our own, who for whatever reasons no longer accept gospel truths. Love them, respect them, engage with them and seek them out but most of all do not fear them, as Christ taught these are our brothers and sisters and like you are children of our loving father heaven. Instead he chose to drive a wedge, an order to disengage. Very disappointing.
  8. Scott really? You assume too much, but thanks for thinking that I would/ could be aware of every topic ever discussed on this board. I guess I should be thanking you for your back handed compliment. Oh and thanks again for always thinking the worst of me...at least you're consistent.
  9. I agree...I should have read every previous thread prior to posting. Btw. I went though that old post, I was out of the country when it had its run and hadn't participated in it...and until today was unaware that it had been previously discussed. I should have known better...after all...all I do is dig up old rubbish to throw at the church, right? shame on me for seeking mutual respect and love of all of those who disagree with my worldview
  10. Of course you don't since it isn't being directed towards you... oft times those who use divisive xenophobic messages don't see them as messages of fear either. But to those who are the point of these messages...trust me, we see the fear and hate undergirding the message
  11. I live in a mixed faith marriage, fortunately through love and mutual respect my marriage has survived. Messages like the one offered by Elder Whitney are destabilizing and create unnecessary wedges in families like mine. Unsurprisingly he seems more interested in driving wedges and dividing family, friends and associates than in bringing people of differing beliefs together. Surely if he felt LDS truth claims could survive being challenged he wouldn't instruct these graduates to disengage but to engage those who have lost faith. This board exists in conflict with Whitneys advise. It's a message of fear, divisiveness and a call to driving unessessary wedges between families. I found the message to be based in fear and a disappointing message to pass on to the next generation who more than any other will face an ever increasing population of members who have lost belief in Mormonism. Shunning and disengaging is a message of fear not only in the "othering" of those who do not share a common set of beliefs but lack in confidence in the strength of his own beliefs. I speak remembering the numerous families that have ended in divorce when one spouse has lost belief in Mormonism ...this is not the kind of message a leader in the LDS church should be sending. Shame on him
  12. Elder L. Whitney Clayton, a senior president of the LDS Church's Quorums of the Seventy, was the school's featured commencement speaker. In his commencement address he offered the following council "The faithless often promote themselves as the wise, who can rescue the rest of us from our naivete," Clayton said. "We should disconnect, immediately and completely, from listening to the proselytizing efforts of those who have lost their faith, and instead reconnect promptly with the holy spirit." All I can say is Wow...unbelievable...I am so disappointed in his message...was he who President Uchtdorf had in mind when he counciled members of the church to avoid messages of fear in the last GC? The poster Freedom challenged me to find messages of fear. Despite having been given at BYU graduation 2016, it is a message of fear of "others" and a lack of confidence in the strength of the LDS message to prevail in the market place of ideas.
  13. This is an example of the spirit getting its cake and eating it too or another example of the spirit winning even when it gives a false answer...or in other words the spirit always wins...even when it loses it still wins or even when the spirit ir wrong it's right.
  14. Well I appreciate this an I'm listening... I recognize that tone matters on this board and I do understand what you're saying. Perhaps I could have chosen my words better
  15. In my own defense...I highlighted those points of President Uchtdorfs talk because I agreed with them...and then provided examples where they were currently being used in the church...and because I agree with President Uchtdorf...I've been challenged.. Fair enough...shoot the messenger