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  1. very sore subject if you are in the bishopric. we are required to offer each family to have the opportunity. I wasn't planning on donating, which will be the first time.
  2. We have been told not to have extra meetings and be done and home by 3pm. There definitely is a message about not procreating meetings.
  3. Thank you for asking. I have gone to the temple a few times, the latest yesterday. There has been quite a bit of peace about it all. The biggest problem seems to be about who to tell. I still have not told my children. My older kids who lost their mother to cancer would probably just flip out. I think the two of them have finally started to come to grips with the death of their mother. That grieving that you try to do with them, but they were 6 and 9 when it happened. They are now 29 and 32. My younger kids are just getting out on their own. My youngest just barely turned 18 and is planning on going on a mission next fall. I don't want to do anything that would change her mind or cause a freak out about the possibility of me dying. So, there are about 5 people on the earth that know this. As for the medical stuff. I have to go into the oncologist every 2 months and have my blood drawn. My immunoglobulins are low, so I can't get sick. I have to be very careful and have about 20 containers of alcohol cleanser in every place you could think of. My case seems to be complicated and I am supposed to go to Mayo Clinic or the University of Utah for another opinion. There is the possibility of early treatment. Not entirely without side effects. There is an autoimmune condition that accompanies the leukemia. Its all slow and you learn bits and pieces here and there. There is a CLL support group and they have great information. They all say they freak out and then they mostly do well. Eventually their cancer becomes more advanced and then there can be some tough times. I don't want to go through a bone marrow transplant even though it has the promise of a cure. It has so many side effects and getting total body irradiation and a lethal dose of chemo does not sound fun. My energy is decent, but I am only able to work about 3 days a week. With my bishopric duties that is about all I can do. Every one asks me what I have and I can honestly tell them that I have an autoimmune condition that suppresses my immune system. I just don't tell them that the autoimmune condition comes from a cancer.
  4. I think Valerie Hudsons article The Two Trees helps explain why the temple speaks of men and women in the ways they do. Some of it being that Eve represented mankind in the physical aspects of our existence and Adam the spiritual side. Then the symbolism that went with both. We aren't as good at thinking through symbols or used to them. Unfortunately, if the symbols are not pondered and explored they can lead people to think they are speaking negatively of women. In a generation that basically has to interact with gadgets and numerous pieces of information, their attention span is different. I find that with my own kids. The temple changes, if I can get into the temple, will probably be appreciated by me. The sessions were all full last Friday and Saturday.
  5. If you are talking about the first chapter of Come Follow Me for Individuals and Families. I read the chapter with all of the scriptures and the talks yesterday morning before bishopric meeting and had a profound experience with it. I read the bible verses in the ESV, though I am waiting for the Greek translation by Thomas Wayment to be available again from Deseret Book.
  6. It is true that my daughter, her feminist crowd and Ordain Women associates (who for the most part aren't active any more) are mad about the changes, non changes and it took too long to change. Outrage is the order of the day for them.
  7. I think the endowment as a vehicle is a good analogy. There has always been a certain amount of elasticity about revelations and teachings in the Church. You can always find a quote to fit your needs about things shouldn't change or that they change all the time. I believe Brigham Young said he would rather follow a living prophet than a dead prophet. I think he also said that he would take the words of the living oracles over the writings in all the books. I also realize that Joseph Smith was the founding prophet and we rely on his vision, but just as he translated texts, modern prophets are translating his ideas into the medium of our time. I am going to try and go to the temple tonite, but it sounds like I will like the changes. I certainly believe that President Nelson is a prophet.
  8. They did take it down. I was on the site to look at whether someone had posted there.
  9. It would really be nice to put this behind us, especially after this long. I don't think Dan was treated well from what I can tell, but how long does the feud go on. Whoever is still having the feud. With Midgley, I met him at FAIR conferences and I usually read his articles. They could be longer than some and they were definitely more accusatory and confrontational than many. I have met Greg Smith and talked to him. He is very capable and I would believe what he said. If Midgley is blowing this out of proportion a lot of old articles would have to be reread in that context.
  10. Went to the temple last Friday and it was the same ceremony I am used to. Unless yesterday was the big change. It doesn’t seem to have happened.
  11. This is not the venue that I started talking about having a slow form of cancer called Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia. It has caused me fatigue if I started looking back at things. So far things are stable and I am not on treatment. My participating in this subject is also about me having to figure out where I am going to spend my time and energy. I try to spend as much of it as I can with my children. I can`t tell them because it just isn’t the right time. Their lives are just changing so much. They need stability. I just can`t read or work as much as I used to. How much to work? That`s a big one. I don’t think it would go well (bored to death-that’s kind of funny) if I stopped working altogether. So, I am looking for the best places to read about the gospel that are intellectually stimulating and faith promoting. I am looking for opportunities to help my children become cemented to Christ and his gospel.
  12. Of course you are correct about other entities. For me, FAIRMormon and Joseph Smith Papers are high on the list.
  13. I love what Dan writes. I regularly look at The Interpreter website and give money to them Early FARMS and MI Review of Books were always top notch and appreciated. It did hit me as polemical many times and even though I enjoyed it, I did wish for more topics and views. I get that now and some really great podcasts from Blair. I subscribe to the MI publications. Also. BYU Studies. In addition to those, Dialogue and Suntone. Sunstone just sent me a letter requesting donations to save the ship so to speak. The gist I got from the letter is that it won`t stay open without a further substantial influx of funds. A letter from Dialogue was not written to that extreme, but it does seem like they may be in a pinch for funds. I subscribe to the Interpreter, BYU Studies, MI and in the past Sunstone and Dialogue. I am really struggling with continuing my subscription and support to Sunstone and Dialogue. Especially Sunstone. I just don’t find Sunstone faith promoting much of the time. So I have beefs with others than MI and Dan. I want them both. What I really want is to stop losing youth in the Church. A Living Faith Faith Book series have been great books for my younger kids. I read Sam Browns First Principles and Ordinances with my youngest son before he left on his mission. My youngest daughter has already read all of the series. I am so impressed with this work by MI. I have had some personal conversations with Blair and Dan before. Short conversations, they don’t really know me, but they both have helped built my faith. Saving the youth and doubters. As a member of a bishopric and with two inactive children, that is what I am looking for. There is a place for all. A brand new addition to the resources I have is Elder Hafen`s, Faith is Not Blind. PS. My oldest son is reaching out to the Church in small ways to try and save his marriage. He is actually coming back to Christ after being brain washed by secularism. Secularism and agnosticism seems to be the big battle we have with our youth and those having a faith crisis.
  14. Thats really good advice. I did right after I was diagnosed six weeks ago, but not since then.
  15. I just watched I Can Only Imagine with my kids. We all cried and it is an excellent show. My dad died at my age 25 years ago. Here I am his age and diagnosed with a cancer that can be slow and I don’t think I should tell my kids. I’m crying about the movie, my dad, my first wife and of course about me. I’m really torn up about what I should be doing in my life. I worked very hard this month in my business and my bishop was out of town this month two Sundays. I really enjoy my calling but it takes a toll on me. Energy is the thing I don’t have an endless supply of. Also time. I don’t want to be nothing, but trying to figure out the balance is challenging.
  16. I think you talk to the Bishop and tell him how you feel. It is reasonable to be able to participate in Church. As far as the LDS Tools app. If you asked someone to do something during the church block, it can hard for the clerks or bishopric to respond. The three hours can be crazy with the requests, interviews, problems, teaching emergencies, etc. These types of situations always go better when you have a good attitude.
  17. This. That is what bothers me also. I would like to think that she has been treated kindly and maybe she will tone down the rhetoric. She can be very warm and complimentary of her Church experience. I think that always goes over better in any situation. I am guessing in other high profile cases that they weren't always that way. Sometimes I really like Gina and her podcast. Then there is vitriol (swearing, crude on several occasions if I remember right). I haven't listened to her podcast about an abuse case in West Virginia. There are far too many abuse cases and I hate that it would ever happen. Interviews keep coming up over and over as the problem according to many social justice types. My daughter doesn't want to have interviews with her parents. She says she would never talk to the bishop about her problems with her parents there. I started a youth temple recommend interview on Sunday and was asking if the girl lives the law of chastity. She asked what that meant, I basically said the commandments that she is taught in Church and by her parents. She kept pressing me and I said that these are really questions to talk about with your parents and maybe they should be there. Then she said she thought the answer was no and started to confess to me. I stopped the interview and said that I shouldn't talk about those with her, but her parents or the bishop. She wanted to talk to the bishop, without her parents. I really love her family. Her father is inactive/unbelieving, but nice. Another inactive/unbelieving father won't let us interview or progress any of his children in the Church. In both cases the rest of the family is trying to stay engaged. It was a very delicate situation and I hope that I did well. Not that I was inappropriate, but that the girl felt like it was all in a loving, faithful manner. I hope it was overall a positive experience. Much like my interviews were over the last 50 years. I was trying to think of a negative one and I really couldn't. Repentance was always a wonderful feeling.
  18. I would love to talk to others and I understand that you have been there. My cancer may be a little different. I may not be on treatment for several years. My life expectancy is about 12 years. My oncologist thinks that should be longer with new treatments. I have to be careful to not get sick because I don't make as many antibodies, even if I am not on chemotherapy. Lots of hand sanitizer. Most of the new treatments for chronic lymphocytic leukemia are now oral agents that are not as immunosuppressive, but cost about 14,000 a month. The few people that I have told do treat you differently when they find out. Its that look and being treated like I am going to die tomorrow.
  19. Been pretty busy. I don’t seem to have as much energy and right now I am not being treated. It seems like I am stable, but immunosuppressed. I haven’t told anybody in my ward or my children. The same with my business partners. Not sure I will. When I hear someone had a birthday I wonder if I will live as long as them. I have been to the oncologist about three times. There are doctors that treat only my kind of cancer, so I may be going to Mayo or U of U. Its nice to know anyone is thinking about me. In my support group I seem to be kind of boring compared to most, so that is probably good. Yes God has been with me.
  20. David Bokovoy seems to be about social justice issues. If I remember the daughter that went on a mission came out lgbt. That seems to be what led him out. The rest of the family stopped going after the November 2015 policy. It sounds like he had been going by himself. There are some Facebook posts that would go along with this. Granted his take on scriptures in general is different than mine, but I always appreciate what he has to say. He also is much more measured, even if it was on Mormon Stories. Between social issues and outrage about them, it seems like it really doesn’t matter what the Church teaches. The social issues have become their gospel. I think often because of how they were taught to look at the world as LDS members. They want to do good, even if the organization that taught them about morals disagrees with the social issue they have become indoctrinated in. I would have never guessed in the 70s that things would be like they are.
  21. I was on Bill`s Mormondiscussionpodcast site. He had a list of 20 (25?) questions that he said his stake president couldn’t answer. So, I looked at the first two. The first one was about Lucy Walker who was married to Joseph at the age of 16 or 17. She had been living in his house. I think the best answer was Lucy Walkers words herself. They were for the most part reaffirming in faith to me. The question of cohabitation always seems to be the big one and there is some information. None of it entirely convincing by itself, but certainly a possibility. Stayed faithful her whole life. I got into the Mormonism Feminist Houswives Year of Polygamy by looking up Lucy Walker and the outrage that people can have is certainly amazing. There is occasionally someone calling for reason and just trying to understand, not judge using modern standards. There is also quite a bit about the second question, which was a revelation supposedly to John Taylor about the New and Everlasting Covenant never being revoked. It is somewhat questionable whether it was a real revelation and whether it was specifically talking about polygamy. Also, was it ever going to be submitted to the process as the other revelations? Neither one was a yes or no answer and it is obvious to me after indulging Bill a little over the last few years that no answer will really satisfy him. It really seems to be about picking the Church apart for its flaws historically and with social issues. We always seem to do wrong. It is not surprising that he was excommunicated and one of the main answers about why still excommunicate people, is that we still have standards and we do enforce them, as imperfect as we are at it sometimes.
  22. The debate and doubts LDS and young people seem to have is about whether God even exists or not. An argument for why people of faith should work together and not argue too much over Calvinism or other points of theology.
  23. I have listened to Gina off and on for years. She has some pretty good guests. In my opinion, she has always been combative, negative, condemning and sometimes just mean about the Church. I have wondered how she could stay in the Church with those kind of attitudes. I didn’t know about her accepting baptism in another church. Her experiences have been profoundly positive in the Church, especially when she was growing up. I want there to be a place for all kinds of people in the Church, but where is the line where it goes too far. Gina crossed that line in my mind. Bill Reel did not cross that line at first, then he got more and more negative. Then he crossed the line. Same with John Dehlin. It seems like people in their situation are trying to push that line to see how far they can go. Then they act surprised and angry. Then ther is the negative publicity, which seems to be what they really want. The liberal crowd argue that the Church enforcing some kind of boundary is not helpful and does more harm than good. I think that we should all try to be tolerant of a wide number of beliefs and opinions, especially if they are personal and not publicized or taught in Church. Publicizing and teaching in Church raise the bar for me in what I expect people to say. In Church I expect building faith and fellowship. When a person leads others away, that is particularly egregious and needs to be enforced. I blame John Dehlin and Kate Kelly for at least part of my older kids leaving the Church. That is probably a whole other debate and I will decline into getting into that in further detail.
  24. Jerry Ray, I am sorry to hear that. It is hard to face these situations. You are doing so with a very good spirit and example. Thanks for commenting and I wish you the best.
  25. I listened to about 40 minutes at work when I had a chance. He sounds very devoted to the Church, Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith as important, spiritual sources of truth. He seems to say that the Book of Abraham and to some extent the BOM are apocryphal, but truthful witnesses of the gospel. If you have read his book, you know that it is nuanced, but he is an intellectual that has made the Church still work for him. Then his daughter came out as gay. That added to the November policy pushed him to a point where he can no longer support the Church. I think he made the analogy of still believing that the Kingdom of God is relevant, but the Church has some real problems. I really like him and I didn't listen to all of it. Having seen John Dehlin, it could be a many hour interview. Its still hard not to like David and its kind of like someone breaking up with you, but with the nicest manner ever. In other words his relationship with the Church is ruptured or changed with these issues, but as cordial as possible. .
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