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  1. Ha. Scott wins funniest post of the day with this response!
  2. Based on that reading and logic, we'd have to conclude that President Nelson is saying Satan tempts people to be other than heterosexual.
  3. This is where I get tripped up with his statement as well. How is loving someone ever something we shouldn't do? Or is he talking about love of things?
  4. I know there was a lot of debate on the Riverton ward's meeting wherein several LGBT members and former members spoke (not looking to re-hash any of that). The thread has been locked but I thought some might be interested in this recent LDS Living article. In this article, John Bonner, a church member who is gay and inactive for years, shares his experience and feelings in returning to church for that meeting. http://www.ldsliving.com/Inactive-Gay-Mormon-Shares-Powerful-Insights-After-Attending-Church-for-the-First-Time-in-Years/s/87741
  5. I figure the full context will allow us all to better understand and interpret that one little quote. Without the words of President Nelson's full message - this is just a futile exercise in eisegesis.
  6. If I see the full transcript posted, I definitely will share it here. I created this thread to recruit others to help me watch for the transcript.
  7. I agree... I'm not sure what he meant and we don't have any context. I can understand why many people are reading it the way that they are but I would really like to get the message in its entirety before making conclusions about what President Nelson meant.
  8. I'm seeing people interpret the few quotes from the address in different ways. I think context is going to be important. Hoping the full transcript is published.
  9. President Nelson spoke on Saturday (17-Feb-2018) to young adults in Las Vegas. Some of his remarks are generating a lot of social media feedback but what little is provided in the Mormon Newsroom report (linked below) doesn't really provide a lot of context. Opening this thread in the hope that when the full transcript is published, assuming it is published, someone will post it here. https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/president-nelson-las-vegas-millennials
  10. Elder Uchtdorf: Progressive?

    Makes sense to me.
  11. Elder Uchtdorf: Progressive?

    Thank you for sharing that personal experience. So, in this case, because of a spiritual prompting you felt that it was okay to turn down a calling from your bishopric. I'm curious, is it then a possibility to receive a call from the First Presidency (mission pres, temple pres, apostle) and also feel a prompting that instructs you to turn down the call? If "yes" than that makes sense to me. If "no" than my follow up would be to ask how the First Presidency differs from the example of the Bishopric in your student ward.
  12. Elder Uchtdorf: Progressive?

    I didn't say that you felt they thought exactly the same about a topic. I was just trying to give you the more fleshed out response to your question (as you requested) about what President Hinckley meant. I wasn't trying to create a straw man argument against you. I also wouldn't expect that one of the Brethren might "believe that a decision or teaching is contrary to God's will but go along with it for the sake of unity". But, I do imagine that there could be situations in which they disagree but without a strong prompting to dissent, they might move forward and sustain a decision being arrived at by the remainder of the quorum or council. I've witnessed this happen at the local level and don't really see any reason to believe that it is so different among the apostles or any council in between.
  13. Elder Uchtdorf: Progressive?

    I think he means what I had expressed earlier. That they leave the council ready to act in one accord. Do I think he meant they all think the same about a particular topic, even after they've make a decision? No. Have you read Prince's bio of David O. McKay? It's the most in depth view into how our top levels of leadership work that I am aware of. But you can also look at what we know about the quorum under Joseph Smith and then under Brigham Young to see that there were differences. in some cases, those differences were known at the time. But, I think, in many cases they aren't known at the time because the apostles come out of council and act in unanimity. As they should and as most councils I've been involved with do.
  14. Elder Uchtdorf: Progressive?

    Oh my. No, I don't think he was trying to be deceitful.
  15. Elder Uchtdorf: Progressive?

    Clearly I'm not bolting out of the tent when someone I don't like is called. I thought that may have been obvious. I hope that the church will move in the direction that the Lord wants.