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  1. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Amen. That is a good description of where I am at as well.
  2. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    I assume you see the epistemological dichotomies in your statement above.
  3. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    I have "used my own knees" (along with fasting, study, and reflection) to receive my own revelation on the matter. And, from your own statement, I assume that you respect that I have arrived at a different conclusion than you. The claimed revelation was regarding a policy. Not the Lord's will regarding His plan for His homosexual children.
  4. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Over analyzing. I believe my point was made. You are free to agree or disagree.
  5. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    If I had only described the reality of the church right now, it wouldn't be an analogy. It would just be a description. From Merriam-Webster: Definition of analogy plural analogies 1: inference that if two or more things agree with one another in some respects they will probably agree in others 2a : resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike : similarity b : comparison based on such resemblance
  6. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    No, I don't acknowledge that. It's a role reversal. Which, obviously, would be the point of an analogy.
  7. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    I know. I didn't say that. It's not part of my analogy even if you want it to be.
  8. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    I intended the analogy to be the way I have clarified it for you and kllindley.
  9. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    No, they don't choose. That's why I said "randomly". And, yes, I consider being gay to be somewhat random in that most don't choose it and we have no control over the circumstances that create sexual orientation. I was referring to people who identify as straight (as I believe I stated). I believe it's the biggest subset (the majority) of the 5%. In the hypothetical, yes, the other 95% of straight people get to marry someone of the opposite sex (if they so desire).
  10. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    So being forced to be celibate is suffering? Yes. And I agree (it's not an "if" they sincerely believe that) they do sincerely believe that. That would be the premise of the analogy I provided. I don't think the Prophet and Apostles EVER do anything that they don't believe is consistent with the will of God.
  11. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Read it again, Scott. I said nothing about homosexual relations. That doesn't play a part in my analogy.
  12. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    I'm confident that if the Brethren randomly chose 5% of our straight youth from the church and told them that they could no longer follow the plan of happiness they had been taught their whole lives and that, instead, they would have to be completely celibate with the promise of a spouse of the same gender in the next life we'd have similar results as we are currently seeing with our LGBT members. I also imagine that many of the straight members would be asking for some sort of revelation to back up such a "commandment".
  13. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    I haven't read the thread but I am thrilled to see this endorsement by the church. Well done!
  14. I agree. And the comments that e-eye shared make it sound like she may have actually been referring to the "Boise Rescue" stake. But who knows. Do we have any data to support that claim? I think there are a lot who leave for that reason. But there are also a lot who leave for reasons having to do with doctrinal, historical, and faith concerns.
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