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  1. Does he identify the therapist in Utah that did this? Because those actions are already illegal and against professional ethical guidelines.
  2. But you can apparently force me to tell a 17 year old LGBT youth there is nothing I can do to help them if they want to integrate in their faith community, remain abstinent, or change pornography viewing behavior.
  3. Here's a great piece that was published in the Desert News about the nuance I've been discussing. Guest opinion: The church does not support conversion therapy, but that doesn’t fit in some headlines From the article: " Complex matters demand caution and prudence. And a surprising degree of common ground can be found on many therapeutic practices associated with both benefit and harm, as demonstrated by the long-standing efforts of gay-affirming and more religiously orthodox therapists working together in the Reconciliation and Growth Project. Meanwhile, the letter also raises questions regarding how practitioners counsel concerning behavior. While the letter makes it clear that prohibiting “true sexual orientation change efforts for minors is appropriate,” it also states that the proposed rule, “defines ‘sexual orientation’ to include not only ‘gender patterns in attraction’ ... but also ‘behavior.’” In short, if a young gay man watches a significant amount of pornography and wants to change the behavior, the letter contends, the rule’s language could restrict “appropriate and ethical” practices, such as “provid(ing) reasonable therapies to assist a client in modifying behaviors and expressions that the client has identified as inconsistent with the client’s own self-determined goals and self-defined well-being.” This is also relevant to therapeutic efforts to help LGBTQ minors integrate into their faith communities, or helping adolescents who wish to remain abstinent. The Family Services’ letter provides a studied approach on a sensitive issue. It’s lamentable to see so many in the conversation dismiss these sincere efforts at nuanced understanding so essential for constructive dialogue. Sound policy that truly helps children requires therapists, politicians, scientists, LGBTQ advocates and religious leaders to come to the table in a manner that doesn’t reduce the other’s perspective into ready-made talking points. The theatrics of politics must never blind us from the real work of protecting and lifting young people, especially LGBTQ youths."
  4. Did you get a chance to read the current proposal? Also, I had asked: Maybe you could explain why this amended bill was so terrible that the LGBT lobby preferred not to even vote on it.
  5. 17 year olds don't date? Or want to stop watching porn?
  6. Right. My concern is that they are prohibiting more than the harmful practices. Did you read the matrial from the Reconciliation and Growth Project? That is a group that includes very pro LGBT therapists. They discourage the use of politically charged, inaccurate terms like "conversion therapy."
  7. That is not what their actual comments say. That is only way via media are reporting. The Church clearly explained that they don't want the law to falsely label actual beneficial help "conversion therapy" and then ban it.
  8. That is the problem for me. I don't know of any licensed mental health professional who performs anything called "conversion therapy.". The proposed rules would prohibit any licensed mental health professional from working with a client to change any "behaviors" associated with sexual orientation. Should a bisexual person who has dated both men and women be allowed to seek any help from a therapist if they decide they want to settle down with a partner of the opposite sex? What do you personally believe? Because the proposed rule would not allow that.
  9. Tacenda, as an LGBT member and mental health professional myself, I can say that you are wrong here. How I live my life is a choice. And if is my choice. It should not be up to a government body to make that choice for me. The Church is not promoting or protecting abusive or harmful practices. You are parroting popular talking points while completely failing to address the concerns that actually have been raised. I agree with your desire to protect against abusive and harmful practices. Let's actually target those rather than the current proposed language.
  10. Thank you for a very clear explanation of the situation!
  11. Current rule proposal: "Sexual orientation change efforts" means methods, practices, procedures, or techniques with the goal of changing an individual's sexual orientation, including gendered patterns in attraction, feelings, or behavior, or identity related to these patterns. (12)(a) Methods, practices, procedures, or techniques that are neutral with respect to the sexual orientation and gender identity of the individual do not constitute "sexual orientation change efforts" or "gender identity change efforts". (b) Methods, practices, procedures, or techniques that are neutral with respect to the sexual orientation and gender identity of the individual include, but are not limited to, the following interventions, as long as the interventions do not have the goal of changing an individual's sexual orientation or gender identity: (i) reducing an individual's internalized stigma; (ii) providing acceptance, support, and comprehensive assessment of an individual; (iii) facilitating an individual's active coping, social support, and identity exploration and development; (iv) assisting an individual considering or undergoing gender transition; or (v) preventing or addressing an individual's unlawful conduct or unsafe sexual practices.
  12. The original Bill stated: ) As used in this section:188 (a) (i) "Conversion therapy" means any practice or treatment that seeks to change the189 sexual orientation or gender identity of a patient or client, including mental health therapy that190 seeks to change, eliminate, or reduce behaviors, expressions, attractions, or feelings related to a191 patient or client's sexual orientation or gender identity.
  13. This is the amended bill that was nerfed by Equality Utah and the sponsoring legislator. I could have fully supported this one. Maybe you could explain why this amended bill was so terrible that the LGBT lobby preferred not to even vote on it.
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