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  1. I think that we are actually in general agreement here. There is only one gate and one way. The "convergence" of paths, for some, will not occur in this life however. Because of that, we cannot really judge the path of another as it very well may be leading them to the gate of baptism, whether in this life or the next. Mormonism will not exist in the next life, as it is only a temporal organization only. That means that some will be exalted without ever becoming "Mormon". I agree that not all obey the light of Christ, but we are not competent to judge that in other people.
  2. I agree with this sentiment, but doesn't it have a ring of universalism to it? How do you reconcile the underlined portion with the OP? The light of Christ is universal. It penetrates every religion, political party, nation, culture, race, and tongue as we all obey the light to the best of our ability and knowledge and have equal opportunity for exaltation. Each path is uniquely prepared by the Lord and catered to the individual, so it is difficult to say that my path is better than anyone else's. For me, to say that the church "is true", simply means that we have the authority of the priesthood to bless all of humanity and bring the saving ordinance to them via proxy temple ordinances, it doesn't mean that this is the only true path to exaltation in this life. We are the servants of all, and perhaps in that respect alone can our work be considered the greatest work on earth. As Christ states, "He who is greatest among you shall be your servant." That is quite the paradox, that the greatest is the servant of all. I think that our emphasis should be on the fact that we are the servants of all, rather than the greatest of all. I will let God be the judge of who is great, as I do my best to serve everyone via the authority of the priesthood that God has bestowed upon me, to serve my brothers and sisters who live and who have passed on.
  3. I agree, I don't see any problem with using aids. One aid that I occasionally use during meditation is essential oil. I chose elemi oil, it is a very unique and distinct scent that smells like nothing else. It actually comes from the Pili nut tree which is native to my mission in the Philippines. And "elemi", in the ancient Aramaic tongue, means "as above so below". So, for me I feel that it in some way connects me back to a spiritually high point in my life in the mission field and has spiritual connotations in its name. Incense, for example, has historically been used for temple rituals by the Israelites, and is still used today by Catholics (as you well know). Scents are powerful reminders and triggers for our memory. The smell of a Christmas tree, for example, instantly invokes powerful emotions and memories. It centers our hearts and minds to a sacred time, place and feeling of love. That is what elemi oil does for me. It helps prepare me fore new spiritual experiences. I actually trained this reaction by opening the lid of the oil once I felt completely centered and at peace, and during spiritual high points during prayer/meditation. Now, it instantly centers me and brings a calm and peace over my body, as I am emotionally transported to incredibly sacred and personal experiences in prayer/meditation. As I have recently stated in another thread, one of the most powerful injunctions of all scripture is to "remember". I, for one, can sometimes benefit from memory aids. Certain sights, sounds, and scents can act as potent memory aids to center our minds and hearts in a more receptive states of being.
  4. I think that is a good point. I also think that those were different times and cultures, and that type of preaching may have been more effective back then, but if you preach like that today, you are not likely to turn any hearts. Just because it was effective for the old apostles in Jerusalem, doesn't mean that it is effective or worthy of emulation today in America. We need to adapt our teaching methods and approach with the times and cultures. For example, street preaching was extremely effective in Britain in the early church, today however, you are not likely to get a single person to stop and listen to some kids screaming "repentance" on the streets.
  5. Even today it could be argued that you don't want to be the 'first on the block' to receive a new medical treatment or vaccine. Just think of all of the lawyer commercials on TV that state "if you have taken _____ medication, or _____ procedure, or had ____ medical device inserted and have experienced ____, ______, ______, or "death", call us today... Clinical trials never really give us a comprehensive picture of the potential risks of the medicine in the real world. For a vaccine example, the first iteration of the rotavirus vaccine caused intussusception in about 1 out of every 4,670 to 9,474 infants vaccinated. That is an unacceptably high risk for a vaccine that prevents a relatively benign infection in the US. Intussusception is a very serious and life threatening bowel blockage that can compromise blood flow to the area and may require surgery and can be fatal. The vaccine was later taken off the market, but the risk was only discovered after being approved by the FDA and mass distributed to the public as a recommended vaccine. Believe it or not, vaccines can be mass distributed in the US without ever being tested, studied, or approved by the FDA. The current yellow fever vaccine is in very short supply across the country due to problems with manufacturing. We only have about a 1-2 week supply left at my clinic. Once it is gone, it is gone and there is no FDA approved alternative. Anyone traveling to a risk area in the next year who wants protection from yellow fever will essentially have to be a guinea pig to a non-licensed vaccine. This vaccine has never been tested with US residents. It has been studied and licensed in several other countries and is expected to have a similar safety profile to the current yellow fever vaccine, but we won't know for sure. Different vaccines can react in completely different ways in different populations. For example, the early rotavirus vaccine had a 10 fold increased risk for intussusception in some developing countries, so vaccines really need to be location specific studies. However the new yellow fever vaccine has never been tested or studied in our population and yet it is available to the public. Of course, recipients will have to sign a consent form, but the whole process is kind of backwards.
  6. I think that is great that you are doing that. What was it about the D&C that you enjoyed as a youth? It sounds like it really impacted you in a significant and life-changing way. In an effort to truly "commemorate" that moment of change in your life, might I suggest that you give a real and genuine effort to read it with the same eyes and heart that you read it with in your youth. In other words, let it impact you again for good.
  7. I always make a stand, in terms of standing my ground. I think that if we all can learn to stand our ground without imposing on, or standing on other peoples ground, the right balance can be found. We need to welcome diversity in belief, even if we strongly disagree. I think things always work better when we don't impose our beliefs or attack the beliefs of other people, for the same reason that we don't want to be imposed upon or attacked (the golden rule). Think of how you felt when your childhood ministers attacked your beliefs. What you might perceive as simply preaching the truth in zeal ("the doctrine of demons"), others will perceive that as an attack on their sacred and deeply held personal beliefs. In so doing, we are really no different from your childhood ministers who probably feel that they are simply teaching the truth in zeal too. I think you understand that approach doesn't work for you, and it will equally not work for them. Their beliefs are just as real and true to them as our beliefs are to us. The only effective way to teach is to invite, and we should never feel the obligation or duty to teach or preach to those who are not interested in listening. I am really good at doing that when I am not being attacked for my beliefs. But when I feel attacked, I have a really hard time holding my tongue. That is my weakness.
  8. I think the church welcomes change and progression in all areas, including science, technology, music, art, ethics, and social changes. With the caveat that "progression" remains within the bounds of revelation and accepted doctrine. Even changes in fashion are welcomed, for the most part, so long as they remain within the constraints of the garment, and are perceived as modest for the time period. They definitely lag behind in some respects due to cultural effect, such as women wearing pants, but for the most part, I think they welcome progression.
  9. That is hilarious!
  10. I agree, I think 95% of this is fluff. I am sure their intent was for the youth to connect with and experience the scriptures in a deeper way, and I am also sure they had behind the scenes scripture study, lessons and discussion, and probably a testimony meeting, etc., but I think good intent is easily lost in a production this size. They reenacted the most dramatic and violent scenes of the BoM, which makes for a good video production, but a lousy spiritual connection with scripture in my opinion.
  11. That is a good point. However, I feel like this particular activity is completely turning a deaf ear to the voice of the general leadership of the church in simplifying activities and work load. I worry that this sets a new bar for inter-stake "keeping up with the Jonses", so to speak. I really, really, really hope it doesn't spread like trek, and becomes something new for stakes to "aspire" to, as we spiral out of control and lose ourselves in the excessive and unnecessary distractions of life and church. It will become one more GIANT thing to do, and many leaders will be crying behind the scenes, as the youth are left spiritually unsatiated in role playing for the camera. Look at the faces of the kids being burned alive by the lamanites, that must have been an incredibly spiritual experience. WHY???
  12. I guess I missed that 1200 youth and leaders attended. That is 600 from each stake. Does anybody here see that kind of attendance from their stake at trek? That seems really high. These 2 particular stakes must have tons of youth. I could see parking being a problem, but I think the whole idea is overboard in and of itself. A big red flag should have been, "we are going to need 22 full sized motor coaches to make this happen". Not to mention 1,200 costumes and props. We are going to need someone to build a giant boat, towers, a large and spacious building build out of scaffolding and giant blocks, and someone is going to be in charge of cooking for and cleaning up after 1200 participants...and cost is going to be near $100,000 for a 3 day activity, not counting hundreds and hundreds of volunteer man hours.
  13. I guess value is in the eye of the beholder, and "awesome" is subjective. To me it looks tacky and forced, as well as excessively extravagant. From the perspective of a youth leader (Scout Master) who goes camping with the youth each month, this looks like an absolute nightmare to me. I just pray that this does not catch on as the next trek experience on steroids. This is like a glorified version of the old road-shows that the church rightly did away with. To me it completely misses the mark of the spiritual experience, and adds unnecessary stress for the leaders and time away from families to make the logistics of this MASSIVE production a reality. I don't see it as a sustainable program church wide, both financially and in terms of the burden on the leaders with the required effort and time-commitment. I am sure it was a fun event for some of the youth though, but there are a lot easier and cheaper ways to have fun. I believe in the principles of minimalism and simplicity generally speaking, but especially in spiritual matters. I think that this activity is going in the opposite direction the church is directing us. The church is leaning away from such extravagance in an effort to simplify programs, taking its cues from Theraue https://www.lds.org/ensign/2008/11/let-him-do-it-with-simplicity?lang=eng https://www.mormonchannel.org/listen/series/mormon-channel-daily-audio/how-to-simplify-your-life https://www.mormonchannel.org/listen/series/mormon-channel-daily-audio/more-ways-to-simplify-your-life https://www.mormonchannel.org/blog/post/5-ways-to-simplify-your-life https://www.lds.org/church/news/the-ensign-home-page-a-resource-to-simplify-your-life?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/ensign/2005/12/questions-and-answers?lang=eng I am a backpacker and take my scouts backpacking all the time. It is a great life lesson in simplifying. You only pack what you can carry. It causes the boys to think about what is really important, and to decide what is really necessary and what is excess. I wish that people would learn to apply the same principles in life, but especially in church programs. As an avid backpacker, meditation practitioner, and minimalist, I cringe at activities like this.
  14. Dang liberals! Would a more conservative Catholic news organization not be as friendly? This article reminds me of the very conservative Deseret News organization's article done on the Hari Krishna temple in SLC. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865659640/About-Utah-A-Krishna-temple-in-the-heart-of-Salt-Lake-Valley.html See, conservatives can play nice too.
  15. ...and polygamist marriages are for people who are polygamist (at least it should be legally that way in my opinion). I would change the sentence in bold to say, "One man, one woman marriages are for people who chose to live monogamous lives." Polygamy is the inevitable next step in marriage equality.