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  1. The actual study (not the author's interpretation which you quote) actually says "no correlation".
  2. No? How does "no correlation" not eliminate race as a factor?
  3. Right, that is why it might be effective to invest in promoting stronger marriages (not just getting hitched). We are socially different in Utah, and that does matter - but these are social/marriage skills that can be learned. There is so much evidence to show how strong marriages and family life can positively effect a child's long-term outlook. There is also tons of evidence on the negative effects of single parent homes/divorced families on a child's long-term outlook. The emotional impacts and increased stresses can negatively affect children's performance at school and life. Without a strong home foundation, the best education may have little impact. With a strong home foundation on the other hand, even the worst education in the country can have much impact. This is what the evidence seems to suggest from the article anyway.
  4. I live in Midvale, UT. Whites are actually the minority at our elementary school - 62% Hispanic and 29.5% White.
  5. It is surprising considering the heavy emphasis the church places on education and the influence the church has on local government, and yet Utah falls dead last in education spending. Education is obviously important, and I agree that we should be doing better, but it doesn't seem to appear that more education funding = improved economic mobility. As far as economy mobility goes, it seems that our money would be best invested in improving and promoting strong marriages and compassionate welfare services within the community.
  6. At least I can show correlation. What do you have? The point is that you cannot show correlation between race and upward mobility when you control for other factors. There is strong correlative evidence between marriage and upward mobility despite race. This eliminates race as a factor and makes marriage status a much better indicator.
  7. Actually she did mention education. She pointed out that Utah spends less than all other states on education yet we have the highest income mobility. It certainly goes against intuition, but does seem to show that the churches influence is even more effective than even a secular education in terms of upward economic mobility.
  8. Actually, the article made it clear that race and diversity is not a factor at all once you control for family structure. In other words, marriage matters. Race? Not so much.
  9. Amen to that.
  10. The underlined parts are exactly what the LDS claim! What is your deal? I guess I am confused. You said that it is not Biblical that God wants us to be happy, and now you are saying that Christ is the way to happiness? Which is it? A relationship with God and happiness are inextricably linked, but it is ultimately happiness that makes the relationship worth while for both God and man.
  11. You are right, God does come first...he is family after all.
  12. Why would you worship a God that doesn't want you to be happy? What world view and life could be better than one filled with happiness? The very purpose of the writings of the apostles are that our "joy may be full." The purpose of Christ's teachings are that our "joy may be full." 1 John 1:4 - And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. John 15:11 - These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. John 16:24 - Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. Psalms 37:4 Delight yourself also in the LORD: and he shall give you the desires of your heart [happiness]. Proverbs 16:20 He that handles a matter wisely shall find good: and whoever trusts in the LORD, happy is he. Ecclesiastes 3:13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labor, it is the gift of God. Philippians 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always: and again I say, Rejoice. Psalm 126:2 - Our mouths were filled with laughter, our tongues with songs of joy. Then it was said among the nations, "The Lord has done great things for them." Romans 15:13 - 13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. 1 Peter 1:8 - Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory Psalm 16:11 - Thou wilt shew me the path of life: In thy presence is fullness of joy; At thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore. Isaiah 51:11 - Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return, And come with singing unto Zion; And everlasting joy shall be upon their head: They shall obtain gladness and joy; And sorrow and mourning shall flee away. Nehemiah 8:10 - Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the Lord is your strength. Proverbs 3:13 - Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, And the man that getteth understanding Proverbs 14:21 - He that despiseth his neighbour sinneth: But he that hath mercy on the poor, happy is he. Proverbs 16:20 - He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: And whoso trusteth in the Lord, happy is he. Proverbs 29:18 - Where there is no vision, the people perish: But he that keepeth the law, happy is he. John 13:17 - If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them. James 5:11 - Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
  13. I never said it would. I find my comfort in the resurrection. With what resources? Eternity is a long time and resources are limited.
  14. Once again, you are missing the point. This isn't about you!
  15. I'll take the Celestial Kingdom over Mars any day. Heck, even the Telestial would be better than Mars! What happens when Mars runs out of space and resources (which it doesn't seem to have much of anyway)?