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  1. Standing before an Apostle does, at a meeting

    In Catholicism, we're supposed to kneel and kiss the bishop's ring. If he is your bishop, then it's the right knee. If he's not your bishop, then the left knee. As usual, we're one up on you Mormons Most people don't do this anymore, but I go to a traditional parish where all of these sorts of things are still practiced. P.S. Oh, and we kiss the priest's hands, too. Lots of kissing of things in Catholicism. Italian influence I imagine...
  2. A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief

    This does not answer a CFR, so my original CFR still stands. And I'll add a second one to it: CFR that kids getting free lunches are being picked up in vehicles ranging from $30-40 grand.
  3. A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief

    CFR True, but all of the 9/11 terrorists came to the country legally. I am not saying that our borders should be open. The point of my OP was that the dreamers seem to fall quite easily into the group of those whom we should welcome. Syrian refugees, too. The words of Our Lord are pretty clear how we should treat them. I refer you to california boy's excellent post above.
  4. A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief

    It's rather late so I'll leave a detailed response for another time. But I do want to address the idea of the "rule of law." The rule of law demands our respect only insofar as the rule of law is in accordance with God's laws. If the rule of the law demands us to do something that is against justice, against mercy, against God's law, then we must defy that law. Good and holy people have always defied unjust laws. When it comes to immigration, the question isn't about the law as enacted by humans. The question is about the laws of God and the principles laid down by Jesus Christ Himself. He seems quite clear when He speaks of how we should treat the other, the alien, the stranger. The worship of the law is something we inherited from the Romans. It has brought us great good, no doubt, but it is not above the law of God, which demands of us mercy and sacrifice.
  5. Establishing Boundaries within the LDS Church

    I just started a thread about "A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief." That's pretty close to the traditional song "Poor Wayfaring Stranger" that was covered by Johnny Cash, an outlaw country man like Willie. Willie ain't so much a stranger here. I know there are folks here that love such music
  6. A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief

    I realize that this post may border on the political but I'm hoping we can keep it away from partisanship and focus on the underlying Christian ideals. Recently Steve Bannon had an interview with Charlie Rose on 60 Minutes. He was asked about President Trump's decision to end DACA and the Catholic Church's denunciation of that. Bannon (a Catholic) responded: The US Conference of Catholic Bishops responded. Cardinal Timothy Dolan (who is a VERY strong conservative and traditional Catholic) said: Poking around on the internet surprisingly brought me to the song "A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief." It seems to be famous for the last song that Joseph Smith had sung to him before he was killed. It appears to place a premium on loving and accepting those who are in difficult positions, whether through the actions of others or actions of their own -- the cause of their difficulty doesn't seem to matter. To me it seems an apt description of what Paul said in Hebrews 13:2 "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." It also fits in nicely with the Rule of St. Benedict, which governs so many monastics and which in chapter 53 says: While like in all things Catholic there are going to be disagreements, it seems like the Catholic view is to accept the immigrant, legal or not, the stranger, the one in need, as if he or she were Christ Himself. What say my LDS friends? Could Christ come as the stranger across the borders? Is there an LDS tradition that addresses this?
  7. Prophets to guide us

    I just want to point out that this may be true of protestantism, but it is not true of traditional Christianity. Tradition, scripture, and the magisterium (priesthood authority) are all God's will.
  8. Virgin Mary statue

    I am sorry to hear about your father's suffering. I do not think, though, that my post says what you think it says. I specifically talked about God's will being involved in things other than statues, even if His actions are invisible to us. The question of human suffering and the Problem of Evil is a long one, filled with many partial yet ultimately unsatisfying theodicies. In the end, I believe that faith is the only satisfactory answer as to why there is suffering and evil in the world. All other explanations fall short of the mark. Again, I am sorry about your father and my point was not that God would save a statue while allowing others to die. It was that God is more involved in our lives than we realize and perhaps many were saved by God's will in an invisible manner.
  9. Virgin Mary statue

    There are so so so many 'miracles' in the Catholic religion. While I don't have specific facts to support this, I am going to say that based on what I have observed, there are more claims of miracles in Catholicism than in Mormonism. In Catholicism, it's not considered too sacred to discuss an apparition of the Virgin Mary or a visitation from Our Lord Jesus. It's probably a subject for a different thread, but it is interesting that the LDS religion that began with claims of visions and angelic visitations doesn't officially declare such things now. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has a system in place for validating such miracles and Catholic culture is certainly full of such things. Some range from the ridiculous (Jesus on a tortilla, Mary on a lightbulb, etc.) to the mind-boggling (Fatima and the miracle of the sun). I take no position on statues in Houston, but I will say that in Catholicism there is a deep culture of believing in the miraculous. Some may call that naive, but if one is a believer in the Christian God, one should accept that He will sometimes intervene and make His presence known. Sometimes that it is through people, such as those giving so much to help those in need in Houston. Sometimes that is through a silent secret way, where His hand is not obvious at all. And then sometimes He makes Himself known through the symbols and rites that glorify Him, such as statues and hosts and Mass. Finally, to those who say why would God care about a statue and not humans... perhaps you should consider the possibility that all those saved from Harvey were saved because of God's will. Or maybe because God ignited the sparks of compassion and sacrifice in the hearts of those who risked much to save others. God is often most active when He is invisible in the actions of compassionate lovely humans.
  10. Virgin Mary statue

    Nobel prize winner in literature! Now I have an authoritatively defensible reason why I make my students study Dylan lyrics
  11. Virgin Mary statue

    You need to listen to more Simon and Garfunkel before you ask that question
  12. Last week I taught my students an excerpt from Plato's Gorgias. What you say was the entire point that Plato/Socrates was trying to make about rhetoric: truth is more important than argument, but rhetoric seems to equate the two. In all fairness to rhetoric I also included an excerpt from Aristotle's Rhetoric that argues (among other things of course) that truth is actually a rhetorical strategy; if you want to make a good argument, then the truth is an excellent persuasive method.
  13. The Church is growing so fast...

    This is absolutely not true of the 3 parishes I've attended. ETA: if you're involved in the parish. If you just pop in for Mass and that's it, then yeah, no one really knows who you are so...
  14. In Catholicism, the seal of the confessional is absolute. The priest cannot under any circumstance violate it. It doesn't matter what the law of the land says; the law of the Church and of God is higher. This sometimes offends our modern sensibilities, but what USU78 says it correct. The sanctity of the confessional was bought with His Most Precious Blood, and there is nothing more sacred than that. The priest who catechized me and baptized me told me that if a heinous crime is confessed to him, he does his best to convince the penitent to turn himself in. He did convince a child molester once to do so. He didn't tell me if there were any he was unable to convince. I think this doctrine shows the infinite mercy of God towards a penitent sinner. Forgiveness is not contingent upon anything other than confessing to God, via His appointed intermediary, which means all one has to do is throw one's self at the mercy of God and then one is forgiven. The atonement is absolute and infinite and requires nothing more. Of course, a person who is not truly penitent and is just playing the system, so to speak, will be dealt with properly by God in the afterlife. To me, though, the doctrine of the atonement in Catholicism is full of such incredible love and mercy that it is almost incomprehensible. +PAX+
  15. Updated church statement - White culture

    A great film.