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  1. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    That's how I see it working (from the outside), but Mark and Pogi seem to disagree with you.
  2. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Yet this is not how I see it manifesting on this board at all. The apostles are called prophets and seers and faithful Mormons defer to their judgement. They are given the right to declare God's word to the whole church (I can't remember the exact phrase I've heard a few times, right of revelation? parents have it for their children, etc). It seems like you (not you personally, but LDS) want to have it both ways: no magisterium yet prophets and apostles who reveal God's will. I still don't see what I am missing but maybe Mark's links will help clarify. The magisterium is the ultimate teaching authority in the Catholic Church (the bishops in communion with the pope). Who has the teaching authority in the LDS church? Isn't it the apostles?
  3. For which satire is always up to the job. Here is Ambrose Bierce's definition of satire from "The Devil's Dictionary": SATIRE, n. An obsolete kind of literary composition in which the vices and follies of the author's enemies were expounded with imperfect tenderness. In this country satire never had more than a sickly and uncertain existence, for the soul of it is wit, wherein we are dolefully deficient, the humor that we mistake for it, like all humor, being tolerant and sympathetic. Moreover, although Americans are "endowed by their Creator" with abundant vice and folly, it is not generally known that these are reprehensible qualities, wherefore the satirist is popularly regarded as a sour-spirited knave, and his every victim's outcry for co-defendants evokes a national assent.
  4. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Got it, thanks. There have been multiple over the years and the most famous in the US was the Baltimore Catechism, which is question/answer. The Catholic Church decided to release a universal catechism which is not question answer. Here is the table of contents. I glanced at a few parts of it, mainly skimming for tone and structure rather than content, and yes, it has a very similar feel to the catechism. Or that they totally weren't paying attention and were lost in their own thoughts Seriously, though, that would be a cool experience as a teacher.
  5. On July 15, we are going to celebrate 184 years since the end of the Spanish Inquisition! (not really, but I can imagine a good satirical article on this in the Eye of the Tiber news site)
  6. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Do you mind elaborating on the original intention and the modern intention? Sounds interesting. Are the Articles of Faith canonized? Sounds good to me. When I was going through catechism prior to baptism (I converted as an adult) the priest would assign me sections to read. I would read and take notes and then we would meet and discuss it, sometimes in his office, sometimes while hiking (I have a great memory of discussion the Blessed Virgin Mary while trekking up a steep trail in the mountains), and sometimes while drinking beer, ha. I'd say it combined both: a very structured book whose purpose is to lay out the doctrines and beliefs, and then a more informal teacher/student relationship that could be, to use LDS parlance, led by the Spirit. So the Catechism book is more structured than the LDS lesson plans (I wouldn't really know, but I'll certainly trust you on this) but the purposes are probably different -- one is to lay out clearly the doctrines and the other is to guide a class.
  7. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Help me to understand this. Wouldn't the prophet and apostles count as your magisterium? What is the difference? They get to define doctrine (they make the temple recommend questions, yes?) and practices/ritual. They also decide what goes into the LDS scriptures, don't they? And wouldn't all of the classes on Sunday and every morning for high schoolers count as your catechism? My experience at LDS Sunday services is that it is mainly all lessons. Don't those lessons come out of officially published manuals? Isn't that a catechism -- teaching people what their faith believes. Also, it is a pet peeve of mine when people say there is no creed in the LDS church and you have the Articles of Faith which literally begin "We believe." You can't get much closer to a creed (Latin: "credo" = "I believe") than that, press release for protestants or not.
  8. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    I could help you out with that, ya know
  9. What if Joseph didn't practice plural marriage?

    Does Mormonism have an official position on the virgin birth? It seems like some people here are arguing that Mary was not a virgin when she gave birth.
  10. What if Joseph didn't practice plural marriage?

    It's a good thing that Catholicism has the magisterium guided by the Holy Spirit to give us correct interpretation and understanding of the Bible. If I were LDS, I'd probably say: It's a good thing there are modern day prophets to give us revelation so we can correctly interpret and understand the Bible. (see, Catholics and Mormons are quite similar when it comes to their leaders)
  11. What if Joseph didn't practice plural marriage?

    Sex is not "mere gratification" or just an "incentive." Sex helps create and further intimacy. That is one of its purposes. Your denigration of sex is very Puritanical and the Puritans were pretty messed up when it came to sex.
  12. Church Statement on Medical Marijuana

    Cocaine is not schedule 1. It is schedule 2.
  13. Church Statement on Medical Marijuana

    My state has tight controls. There are only a certain number of ailments you can get it for and the most commonly misused one, chronic pain, requires two doctors plus medical scans (CT, MRI, etc). I really appreciate that. If it is medicine it should be treated as medicine, not as a cure-all. The federal government needs to reschedule marijuana so that rigorous scientific medical testing can occur. It's ridiculous that it is schedule 1 while cocaine is schedule 2.
  14. New Revelations and the Future

    But the LDS president is not referred to as an apostle, he is referred to as a prophet. So while what you say may be true, it is not the impression that is given when talking to Mormons. They focus intently on having living prophet. My point (again, not sure if you've read what I've already said) is that recent LDS prophets don't appear to operate any differently than the Pope. Both make announcements concerning policy, procedure, and binding doctrine/dogma (last in 1950 for the Catholics and 1978? for Mormons). Both Mormons and Catholics claim to be under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and claim to receive revelation/inspiration, miracles, angelic visitations, visions, etc. For me, the LDS claim to living revelation is not as unique as the wording sounds when one looks into the practicalities of it. The early LDS church differed from this, for sure, with Joseph Smith being the greatest example. How, exactly? I'm not seeing any practical differences, just differences in semantics. The Bishops are the successors to the Apostles. The Pope holds the Apostolic keys of St. Peter. We claim an uninterrupted priesthood back to the Apostles and Christ. Also, as I recall from a thread here about it, didn't President Nelson (or another LDS apostle) say that the leaders had spent months pondering the decision to change the high priests? The LDS first presidency and apostles spending months pondering and praying about a decision involving the LDS church is the same as Catholic bishops meeting together spending days or weeks debating/pondering/praying about a decision involving the Catholic Church. The smoke is merely an announcement that a new Pope has been chosen. It has nothing to do with the process in choosing the Pope. It is the equivalent of LDS church announcing via press release or whatever that a new president has been chosen. Likewise, Catholic dogma can only come from a Papal announcement or from the decisions of an ecumenical council of the Church, led by the Pope. Again, it's the same. I'm curious as to what the process is. My understanding is that the leaders come to a decision, announce it, and then canonize it. Is that correct? Also, there are Mormons here, in good standing with the LDS church, who claim there really isn't doctrine, or at least that it's not important, and that the LDS church is more interested in orthopraxy instead of orthodoxy. What are your thoughts on that? I'm enjoying chatting with you. I think we can learn from each other about each other's faith
  15. Church Statement on Medical Marijuana

    I think that would be great. Also, in states where it is legal, edibles have a measured dose, so that could work too.