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  1. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    You only seem to show up on this thread to continue to make it personal against Bill Reel. Listen to the podcasts and then you can possibly "contribute to the discussion" in a way that will add some substance maybe? I'd stick up for you too if you were being personally attacked (or anyone....I don't even know Bill Reel or much about him other than that he used to be a Bishop and has been ex'd and has a podcast....and that he seemed to be associated with FairMormon at one time). What I would like to know is what actually took place between these two men during the podcast. I've read it was very civil and well done. I also read that each one made some concessions. Bill has posted what he felt Jim Bennett made concessions on or stated regarding some specific topics. I'm going to try to listen to these podcasts (not my favorite thing to do!), but I'm interested in reading comments from those who have actually listened to them and get their feedback. I'm not so much interested in reading how much people dislike Bill (I already knew that ). Do you have any input into the list Bill posted? Did you listen to any parts of the podcast that discussed them?
  2. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    What? Where has he posted that? "silly things about God" and a "blood bath"? You guys are really getting personal here (and so are others). I'm not sure why there's a need to personally attack Bill Reel every time there's a thread on here about him. It would be nice to stick to the topic of the podcasts (and I do understand some don't agree with things Bill is saying, but one can disagree without calling him a "jerk", etc.). Do you have anything you want to post regarding the content of the podcasts or just continue coming on here and making this personal?
  3. I agree. Hopefully someone will weigh in who has read it and who knows more details regarding that question. I'd like to know too....
  4. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    But so far, you've given no specific examples of anything that was discussed (and your thoughts on it regarding what you agreed or disagreed with). Can you give any?
  5. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    What about doctrine that was once taught, but is no longer believed or taught?
  6. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    Oh...missed that part! I'd love to hear from someone who has actually listened to the podcasts for this discussion.
  7. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    I meant if you have anything specific (examples) from the podcasts that you can discuss. Did you listen to all 6 of them in their entirety?
  8. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    Any specific examples? You certainly are entitled to your opinion regarding these podcasts. This is a discussion forum where they can be shared (and discussed). It's just best to keep the personal insults and attacks out of the conversation (and against board rules too!).
  9. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    Wow, interesting. I can relate to all of those listed above (and agree with his concessions). How does he continue working as a apologist? I'm honestly not at all familiar with him, so I know I need to do some research on him (and also listen to these podcasts....).
  10. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    Maybe listen to the podcasts if you want to comment and stay on topic. If you just want to come here and insult Bill, start a new thread. You're making this personal.
  11. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    Sure it was. Are you claiming that the person who posted that comment didn't listen to the podcasts?
  12. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    Please don't make this personal against Bill (personal insults or attacks). Have you listened to the podcasts? Any specific comments about them?
  13. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    Since I can't give you a rep point, I'll just quote you and say thanks for adding this. I am definitely going to listen to these podcasts as they sound fascinating (and I am not one to listen to podcasts!).
  14. ALarson

    Bill Reel Vs. Jim Bennett

    I was just reading about this series this morning! I have not listened to any of the podcasts done by Bill Reel, but I think I am going to make time to listen to this one as it sounds excellent. From what I read, it's very respectfully done (from both sides) and each one admits that the other's point of view or beliefs or proofs have legitimacy to them. Glad you posted this. Have you listened to all 6 parts? Of course it's possible and more and more members are finding themselves struggling with this same question. Some are able to work through the details they are learning regarding Mormon History and doctrine and remain active and others are leaving over them. It's a very personal journey. Neither side should be judged or criticized, IMO.
  15. Great point and I know this is where I'm at too. I love the gospel and I love my Savior. I love my ward and the people who I serve and serve with....they are my family and I look forward to seeing them every week. I have wonderful, dear, Christlike friends there who I cherish and love being around. It strengthens my faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ when I'm with them and serving. There is so much to love about this church! I have issues with several things, but I've worked through most of them and remained faithful. My testimony is very different today from what it was even 10 or 20 years ago, but it's a strong testimony of the gospel. I do not like the idol worship that goes on with some of the church leaders as I do believe they are just good men doing the best they can.....not any different than those serving in callings on a local level. I feel that Pres. Nelson truly loves and cares about the members and is making changes that will help them remain at church, serve (locally and on missions), and feel welcome at church. I'm not happy with the overall treatment of the gays (the policy, etc.) and I feel the church needs to come a long ways to combat the abuse that takes place (in every religion but we should do better at screening and training). I'm hopeful more changes regarding these two issues will happen in the future. So that's my faith in a nutshell I increase my faith by serving and showing love to others, by living the gospel of Jesus Christ the best that I can.
  16. Thanks for posting this, Tacenda! (The comments are interesting to read through too )
  17. Well one of them is a criminal offense (if acted on) and the other one is not, so I would think there is a difference here regarding the law.
  18. I'd say what was done to these young men is not just "frowned upon today". Maybe just drop this line of reasoning as it's about as ineffective as you can be. Christ would have never physically harmed the youth of the church.....never....no matter what year it was. But I agree with kllindley. Time to move on as this has been discussed and from what I can tell, no one condones what was done.
  19. I have not, but I will try to listen this weekend. He's amazing. I may pre-order his book too (didn't realize it wasn't released yet). Thanks.
  20. Are you seriously comparing not being offered more than just bread and fish to eat to boys being forced to watch porn and then having their penis shocked if they're aroused? I don't know if I've seen a more ridiculous comparison made by anyone on here!!! It's not too difficult to see which one God would not approve of or not want done to one of his sons. This one is a no brainer. It was a mistake....a tragic mistake and a wrong decision made by our church leaders.
  21. Thanks for posting this, Daniel. I agree with him: As we have discussed on this thread what Dallin Oaks once believed or approved of when he was President of BYU, we are reminded of the mindset of his generation and those who are at the head of the church setting policies, etc. I firmly believe as younger generations become leaders, they will do away with this fairly recent policy regarding SSM and the children involved in those homes. I think there will be other changes as well. Have you had the chance to read Prince's new book yet? https://www.amazon.com/Gay-Rights-Mormon-Church-Consequences/dp/1607816636/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=greg+prince+gay+mormon&qid=1550793625&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr1 Just reading about it now and it looks very interesting!!!
  22. That's interesting, Tacenda. Who were the trusted adults they listed (mainly)?
  23. Yes! If the Prophets were truly the Lord's mouthpiece. Were any other universities performing these aversion treatments on their homosexual students at that time? Any other universities threatening to expel gay students if they did not agree to undergo these treatments?
  24. So, we cannot ever criticize the church leaders? I just firmly believe this was wrong to do to these men and I believe none of our church leaders should have approved of these treatments.
  25. Good question. Maybe someone knows (I'll try to read through the McBride paper again to see if he documents anything regarding that). Do you know? I'm not certain of all the ages of those involved. But they were called in and threatened with expulsion from BYU if they did not agree to undergo the therapy. I think I looked into this at one time and I'll see if I can find my research. If you type in "aversion therapy schools homosexuals", BYU always comes up in the search (for me at least). Do you know of any other universities who conducted these treatments and studies on their homosexual students? I'd be interested in knowing what you've found. ETA: Just searched "universities that performed aversion therapy on their homosexual students gay" and info on BYU was the top result. I'll keep combing through them though....
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