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About flameburns623

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  1. flameburns623

    "Why some people leave the Church"

    My BODY is a House of the Lord, within which I make sacred covenants.
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    Shrinking pains

    Put a two-minute hourglass on the pulpit on F/S's.
  3. Interesting article which suggeets that while it us unfair to speak of Latter-Day Saints as "brainwashed", we have evolved a unique system of social structures which bind us to each other. I do wonder if a similar couldn't be done of Roman Catholicism, Evangelical Christians, or Amway. https://faenrandir.github.io/a_careful_examination/lds-indoctrination-and-retentive-socialization/
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    Generally I think of anti-Mormons or anti-LDS as folks who: 1. Seek not to critique the teachings or practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in a constructive manner, with an eye to reforming or improving the Church; but who merely seek to debunk it and lead people out of it; AND, 2. Who generally do so in the service of some other cause or religion, in which they are often so deeply invested that they cannot be fair nor unbiased towards the LDS Church and may in fact be very skewed, disproportionate, or even dishonest in their criticisms thereof.
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    History of the Satanic Panic

    "Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then the HELL with you!"
  6. flameburns623

    History of the Satanic Panic

    A fun article to read: https://www.patheos.com/pagan/why-you-cant-worship-sam-webster-03-20-2013
  7. flameburns623

    History of the Satanic Panic

    Lol. Crom is loosely based on Odin. But he's a purely fictional deity. OTOH, there are several fictional deities being worshipped with varying degrees of seriousness. Pastafarianism for example. Church of All Worlds, also.
  8. Congratulations. You win the Internet. Best quote I've seen all week.
  9. flameburns623

    History of the Satanic Panic

    Satanists of any stripe are extraordinarily uncommon. Obviously, Anton LaVey capitalized on the shock value of the word "Satanism". Most Wiccans worship deities of a known ancient pedigree. Athena, Diana, Baba Yaga, Cernunos, Freyr, Thor, Poseidon. Wiccans are usually upfront that their religious practices are partly reconstructed based upon available information, and partially reimagined according to what they find meaningful. Which is exactly how I understand Mormonism, btw.
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    Rumors of Changes to Temple Worship

    It's a Mikveh" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikveh https://www.google.com/search?q=jewish+ceremonial+washing+tub&safe=strict&prmd=sivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiyorGM29nfAhUMKqwKHYYHCNQQ_AUoAnoECA0QAg&biw=360&bih=512#imgrc=6MRtUR7rO2ShGM
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    History of the Satanic Panic

    Wiccans and Luciferians neither worship the "devil" nor believe in such a personage nor make him an icon of their faith. Certainly not Wiccans and Pagans, who do not even believe in a binary struggle of evil against good. Discussions of "good witches" or "bad witches", or of "black magic" versus "white magic" will tend to mark you as ignorant of the entire topic of Wicca. Some Wiccans worship a "horned god" who might resemble a Jack Chick cartonesque Satan, and most of the rituals I attended had a masculine and a feminine deity. But not all of those male deities sported horns. Most didn't. Luciferians beliefs are complex and resemble Zoroastrianism or Gnosticism. "Lucifer" is a Latin name for the Morning Star, a title of Christ and (for Luciferians) "the Christ" or the "Christ-mind" is a synonym for one of the "good guys", but so is the much-maligned Lucifer, who is in some sense the same as Christ. Followers of Anton LaVey don't usually even believe in a god. Satan is an archetype, a sumbol or mythological figure, embodying freedom from oppression. Their view of God looks more like something of Satan from our Pearl of Great Price. Their Satan looks more like our Jesus: somebody who stood up and said, "lemme do this in a way which allows people to retain freedom of choice".
  12. flameburns623

    History of the Satanic Panic

    As someone who has close personal friends in real who are Wiccan; as someone who has attended Pagan Stabbat services; and as someone who has met, drank, and dined with actual believing Luciferians and LaVey-following Satanists: the Satanic Panic is less funny than sad. People whose moral lives would make them fair-to middlin' good Latter-Day Saints, (except for the copious consumption of coffee and ritual consumption of wine), have to keep their actual religious views extremely private to avoid either ridicule, bizarre questions about their sexual practices, proselytism, or outright discrimination.
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    Access to the Church website and online tools

    It's not germaine and kinda personal to ask. But, I regularized my marriage and went back to being Roman Catholic.
  14. flameburns623

    A course correction for the Maxwell Institute?

    Didn't Dr. Petterson occasionally used to lighten things up, when they got too heavy around here, by making jokes about donuts?🍥🍪