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The Nehor

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  1. The doctrines and principles underlying the practice are eternal but the application of those, even in scripture, is not necessarily forever. We canonized divine instructions on how to distribute stock in something God wanted built. I don’t think that is eternal either.
  2. While the throne debate is kind of silly why not have a throne? Sure, God probably does not need one but maybe he wants one. One of the advantages of being God is if you want it you can pretty much have it. If the physical resurrection is an advantage then physicality is an advantage probably because it can bring joy, pleasure, and happiness. So God can eat chocolate, surf, watch a star explode from nearby, lie in a hammock, ride a horse, pet an animal, and sit in a throne. Why would he? For FUN!!!!!
  3. True. I would avoid getting detached to Joseph’s attempt at consecration. If such an application of consecration were to come again it could be and probably will be fashioned differently.
  4. But it can also be true. I am not convinced on one point of that though. Are we sure they could never have children without the Fall? One figure said it was the only way but he might have been lying. As it stands the story makes God into a trickster. He gives two contradictory commandments. Nephi knew the story but still insisted God does not give commandments without providing a way to follow them. I need to stop.
  5. I thought I was dipping into heresy. The conventional understanding is that Adam and Eve had to fall and the fall is good (while also being bad). Yeah, but God usually does not say “Thou shalt not.........but you can make the choice.” I mean, it is true, but God usually does not lay out the options in that way. Something can be both liturgy and history. Plus we have this from Elder Holland: “In our increasingly secular society, it is as uncommon as it is unfashionable to speak of Adam and Eve or the Garden of Eden or of a “fortunate fall” into mortality. Nevertheless, the simple truth is that we cannot fully comprehend the Atonement and Resurrection of Christ and we will not adequately appreciate the unique purpose of His birth or His death—in other words, there is no way to truly celebrate Christmas or Easter—without understanding that there was an actual Adam and Eve who fell from an actual Eden, with all the consequences that fall carried with it. I do not know the details of what happened on this planet before that, but I do know these two were created under the divine hand of God, that for a time they lived alone in a paradisiacal setting where there was neither human death nor future family, and that through a sequence of choices they transgressed a commandment of God which required that they leave their garden setting but which allowed them to have children before facing physical death. To add further sorrow and complexity to their circumstance, their transgression had spiritual consequences as well, cutting them off from the presence of God forever. Because we were then born into that fallen world and because we too would transgress the laws of God, we also were sentenced to the same penalties that Adam and Eve faced.” I am not convinced completely that the fruit is real but why not? Sometimes in our attempts to see through symbols we overspiritualize. If something transformed our first parents why not fruit? It is no more ridiculous then believing that part of being redeemed is being immersed in water or that divine authority can be passed on from hand to head. The gospel is often startlingly crude. A physical resurrection instead of a purely spiritual one. A physical paradise on Earth as the next stage. Jesus spitting and using clay to heal. Seerstones and Urim and Thummim. Glowing balls of light in wooden boats. I am currently in the process of a name removal. I am going to help release someone from divine covenants and my part will be completed with the click of a mouse and so will everyone else’s. Allowing us to perform binding ordinances by proxy. A lot of it makes no sense but it all works. Why couldn’t fruit change someone’s perceptions of good and evil? Admittedly I do not think they fell due to the fruit. They fell because of the laws of the Universe. They disobeyed God.
  6. I would be careful with application of those talks. Most of them came during the Cold War to rightly point the Saints away from state-sponsored and very atheistic communism. I have no idea if personal possession are a thing in the next life. I kind of hope I get to keep my pet sugar gliders though.
  7. Severus was killed by Voldemort because he thought it would make the Elder Wand work for him. Oh sorry, is that a spoiler? Okay, I will try to stop now.
  8. True, that is definitely an exclusively Gen Z principle. I think one of them coined the phrase. Back in the hoary days when President Nelson was growing up they had never even heard of the concept. I bet you cannot even find it in General Conference yet since none of Gen Z are General Authorities. We can only wait I suppose.
  9. Every church should be to at least some degree exclusive as regards to doctrine. Why does the organization exist if it does not believe it has some divine truth or power no one else has?
  10. I envy you seeing this for the first time.
  11. And both often see stuff that is not there though I prefer the benevolent wrongness myself as opposed to the “wanting to see the worst bit”. Reminds me of one of my favorite Lewis quotes: “Suppose one reads a story of filthy atrocities in the paper. Then suppose that something turns up suggesting that the story might not be quite true, or not quite so bad as it was made out. Is one's first feeling, 'Thank God, even they aren't quite so bad as that,' or is it a feeling of disappointment, and even a determination to cling to the first story for the sheer pleasure of thinking your enemies are as bad as possible? If it is the second then it is, I am afraid, the first step in a process which, if followed to the end, will make us into devils. You see, one is beginning to wish that black was a little blacker. If we give that wish its head, later on we shall wish to see grey as black, and then to see white itself as black. Finally we shall insist on seeing everything -- God and our friends and ourselves included -- as bad, and not be able to stop doing it: we shall be fixed for ever in a universe of pure hatred.” There is a lot of that around.
  12. Like this although the end of it got the Monty Python Lumberjack song going through my head.
  13. Ah, good old ageism. The socially acceptable prejudice.
  14. You are expecting people to think through what they name things and explore the ramifications of their beliefs? That is crazy talk my friend.
  15. Why are you torturing puppies you monster?!?! Oh, that is just what I thought I read.
  16. I expect there is a real throne. Maybe lots of them.
  17. That is what I thought but when I channeled J Golden Kimball the bishop asked me to please sit down.
  18. https://m.wikihow.com/Not-Be-Creepy
  19. Be the change you want to see in the world Valentinus! I think you would look good in a dress. I believe in you.
  20. How long before we get the video of cureloms and cumoms?
  21. I suspect it is more that they were not at the right point of development. I keep coming back to the idea of Adam and Eve deciding before the world was formed to intentionally sabotage the process to rescue spirits lost or fallen somehow. They agreed to have Lucifer let in. Maybe they even agreed to have the tree there and it is normally not there from the start. Adam became as a little child but maybe Eve held onto some more memories? They agreed to sacrifice their paradise and their own standing (they earned their world) to dive down to hell and death to rescue fallen spirits who could not be born in their Terrestrial paradise. They hacked the whole plan (with the Father’s approval of course) and Jesus agreed to fix it and take full responsibility and even to atone for allowing this world to be. Lucifer thought he was destroying them but they wanted him to do it so they could bring mortality to those who otherwise would not have it. There are still a lot of pieces missing and I still could be way off. I feel like I am the scummy narrator of a “Did Aliens build the Pyramids” ‘documentary’. Everything I am saying should have a question mark behind it and it is very tentative and speculative. I just do not know so no one talk about this in Fast and Testimony meeting and no, I am not writing a book or declaring myself prophet and breaking off!
  22. How many years of law school so he could read that statement?
  23. This, I started reading it and busted out laughing. I assumed it was a joke. Did people actually take it seriously?
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