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  1. Will someone please ban this monomaniacal soporific dullard?
  2. I think such a weak method of identification could bring up a case for negligence. Edit: Here is an odd case where a lawyer tried to represent someone without their consent: https://blogs.findlaw.com/strategist/2014/01/lawyer-files-lawsuit-without-contacting-signing-client-first.html
  3. My name comes from a nickname I acquired on my mission. I took it as a badge of honor and ran with it. No, I do not believe the Church is by the people which implies we selected our leaders (God is in charge of that). It is sort of for the people as that phrase is to promote the common welfare but it does not really fit as most people do not want the good we bring. Self-reliance is healthy to an extent. Brigham Young taught that some would never be exalted because they need to be commanded in all things and never develop the independence of heaven. I believe we need a testimony regarding the existence and nature of God, the validity of the gospel of Christ, and the nature of the Kingdom of God on the Earth which is the church. So yes, I have a testimony of the church and Joseph Smith and the prophets since and I consider that portion of my testimony vital. The boy was possessed. If I was possessed (and I have some experience in this area) I would want the damned (literal adjective, not expletive) thing out as soon as possible. I give thanks for healings and blessings as if they come from God no matter who gives them. I also find your cozy desire to meet Christ a little odd as if it would be neat. True, in mortality He appeared as a normal man but I honestly think you would be put off by his severity towards sin and a possible exhortation for you to give up everything and follow him to persecution and possibly death. I probably would too. As to Christ in the fullness of glory he has now are you sure you want that? It brought Saul (later Paul) to great suffering and remorse. The same when Alma the Younger had a similar experience where he was wracked with torment. The Brother of Jared saw only Christ’s finger and fell to the ground in fear. Lehi got a book from him and when he read it he was afraid. Same in his vision of the Tree of Life as he wandered through the dark. Joseph Smith thought the whole landscape should be consumed when he saw the Father and the Son. I think you are stuck in the concept of Jesus as a nice guy who does nice things. He does but He also hopes for obedience from all to His Father and his admonitions to his earthly apostles led to prisons and executions. He talked of harsh divisions at the Last Day dividing the saved and the damned. He wept over those who would not repent knowing the torment they would have to endure. He is fire and power and glory. He is beautiful and terrible. When He returns to the Earth in glory most will die because they cannot endure it. I am trying to dedicate my whole life to being worthy of seeing Him and enduring that day either alive or dead. You seem to have a naive view of the Savior as purely a Mr. Rogers type guy who will come up and hug you and say “there there”. Are you so comfortable in your own virtue that you imagine no chastisement or rebuke would come? The talk about the greatest being a servant is not the jab at prominent positions in the kingdom you seem to want it to be. It is a call for servant leadership at all levels, a call to sacrifice and love those you are responsible for. If it were what you suggest he was giving to the wrong audience. He was giving it to his apostles, his leaders. Was it more likely Jesus was telling them that they would be at the bottom of the kingdom of God for being called or that He was making it clear what that call required. The admonition to be a servant is not a call to timidity and the false humility of bowing out of responsibilities. To aspire to become like Christ is not hubris, it is obedience to His commands. To avoid that command out of a sense of inadequacy is not humility, it is cowardice.
  4. Not a lawyer but if a Church member were to find out they were falsely named with no effort to verify identity and he tried to have their records removed I think a case could be brought against him.
  5. Not at all. Then I presume you will be burning all your scriptures and never referencing them again as they were all written by middle men and are an impediment to you personal relationship. Maybe not. I admit I do find it amusing that when Jesus gives a reason for something you feel the need to add on to it something he did not even imply simply because it supports your views. Why not just take the logical step to a kind of pantheistic idolatry and worship your own ideas and stop using the Bible those misguided middle men are trying to foist on you?
  6. Probably not, the Church is unlikely to want to be tied to an insurance company or present it as their choice. Imagine people complaining to their bishops about how much their medication costs and expecting him to fix it. People expecting forgiveness for medical debts. It would be a nightmare.
  7. I don’t think you are following me of that was a response to what I said. I said you DO NOT HAVE to use QuitMormon to resign. End of statement. I am pretty sure we are not in conflict here.
  8. I just realized where it might have been filed. I will have to look around the Bishop’s office when I get back (it was done under a previous bishop). I might also contact the previous bishop to see if he knows.
  9. The impact of Congress and the President on the economy is vastly overrated and most legislation and executive orders that impact the economy do not show their full impact for several years at least. Their effect is also relatively minor. There are exceptions such as military conflict and sweeping legislation that upends everything (think New Deal) but participation in military conflict should not be something we decide primarily on economic impact and there has not been any sweeping legislation that upends the economy. Economic growth is pretty stable which is good. There are risks ahead but there always are. If you are trying to defend Trump with this it is worth noting that he promised 4% growth in the economy and suggested it would not be hard to get 5% to 6%. We didn’t and we are not anticipated to. I would hardly count that as a win even if you think government has that big of an impact.
  10. They have no reason to lie. The letter from the church makes them look bad so I doubt they fabricated it and, if they did, the church could humiliate with the original. I know. I am involved in one. A guy submitted the request and verbally told a member in good standing he wanted to be removed. It got stuck in limbo because the previous clerk did not upload a digital copy. I could not find it. I got an affidavit written out by a member of the ward who had dealt with it but it got rejected. I am still not sure how to proceed. It seems discourteous to go back and ask for another letter but I have not been able to get the Stake President’s approval without it. I like my digital resignation done only by the member idea.
  11. Unless it was discussed previous to the letter being sent the bishop or a counselor will contact the person to verify the request. This can be done in person or by phone or any other reasonable means. It is not foolproof but it is better control then this guy had where you just put in the information and call it done. The lawyer also insisted on no contact with their “client” so the church could not contact them to verify. It was a horrible system. I wish it was easier. I wish you could submit the request through the church website with your login. I would probably have a week long delay before it takes effect in which you could log in and reverse it for the less emotionally stable members. Doubt it will happen though.
  12. Yes, the complaint of the church demanding notarized letters going forward gave as a reason the shoddiness of the process used and said that active and dead member names were being submitted and that names were getting submitted multiple times. It is in the article.
  13. Did we get “great again”? I must have missed it.
  14. It is actually amazingly easy. You can talk about Freedom of Religion and the Constitution and their importance without dragging in current events and partisan divides. I taught Gospel Doctrine for many years. It is like playing “Whack a Mole” with some people who always try to find a political angle on everything in the gospel but you just shut it down every time it pops up. Eventually they stop if you shut them down enough. The other thing is that this phenomenon is reportedly rare in the Church outside of the US and I have asked friends in a lot of countries.
  15. Yes, but they were not requiring it to be done through quitmormon as was stated. I think notarized letters in general are an excellent requirement if you are going thorough a lawyer or even if you are contacting Salt Lake directly on your own. If sent to a bishop or Stake President fraud is much less likely since they know their members a little. A fake letter sent for the resignation of the current Relief Society President is unlikely to be processed without someone giving her a call to verify. You stated that the church was requiring people to use a specific service: “Recently the church has said that in order for them to resign, they now need a notarized letter or something sent from this lawyer, his website is QuitMormon.com.” Which is not true. You can submit a letter to your bishop. I processed one a month ago. You can submit it to Salt Lake. This complaint was due to this law firm offering a ridiculously stupid service filled with obvious problems which they wanted to shift onto the Church to deal with. They would resign on your behalf with no safeguards to verify you are who you say you are. Of course the church was frustrated. Immature idiots would go to it and type in the names of active family members as a prank or the ignorant would submit their own name multiple times so naturally the church insisted on some safeguards. You can still use the tried and true way.
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