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  1. In Mormonism "God" is considered an exalted married couple. Yet we once again try to make Christ an exception to law, despite his words at his baptism.

    Poster Missing

    Tons of our best posters have dropped off the last while. There are many I am missing.
  3. Which is very interesting when you consider the Savior.

    "Why some people leave the Church"

    Perhaps "most people" need to do some self evaluation. The whole premise of the gospel is that it changes us. Those that don't want to be changed may well choose to walk away. The Church has no responsibility to change so people can stay the same.
  5. 1. Clearly not a revelation. 2. The "Doctrine" was the Lectures on Faith. What bonus points do I get?

    Gender Roles

    This describes the old "democracy vs a republic" discussion. I'd rather deal with God's chosen representatives than what the majority concludes about God. And your deification of the attributes of God over the being reminds me very much of the Brigham vs Orson debates of the 1860s. A fascinating series of sermons.

    Missionary work during the priesthood ban

    If that is the case then we can readily say we know absolutely nothing about God. Including how he feels on any particular subject. If every record of God's dealings with men is simply the suppositions of those men then we know nothing about him. (Which according to one of those men would mean we don't have eternal life either).
  8. Not always. Prophecy doesn't remove agency.
  9. Agreed. D&C132:32 Go ye, therefore, and do the works of Abraham; enter ye into my law and ye shall be saved. 33 But if ye enter not into my law ye cannot receive the promise of my Father, which he made unto Abraham. 34 God commanded Abraham, and Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham to wife. And why did she do it? Because this was the law; and from Hagar sprang many people. This, therefore, was fulfilling, among other things, the promises. 35 Was Abraham, therefore, under condemnation? Verily I say unto you, Nay; for I, the Lord, commanded 52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God 65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take Hagar to wife.

    Masonry essay on the church website

    Sure, as long as we're speculating that is a possibility. They don't even know. But did they literally create them ex nihilo, or did they draw on an origin source? Because one of the biggest supports for the endowment as ancient in origin is the extremely far spread references through many cultures and time periods. Nibley's approach may not provide historical proof of ancient administration of the endowment but he sure did a good job locating temple elements in disparate cultures. Early Christianity, Asia, Egypt, Judaism, Ancient Americas, Zoroastrian practice, on, and on. Even the Tanner's found the signs/tokens in a martial arts magazine. Native American usage has also been referenced here. If the endowment was a work of creative writing by Joseph he sure gathered elements from far and wide to do it.

    Masonry essay on the church website

    The source for freemasonry was freemasonry? Even the freemasons have no idea where the components of their rites came from.

    Masonry essay on the church website

    Or both came from the same source. In the end either Joseph cobbled together the endowment from numerous disparate sources both religious and traditional. (Some of which it would be difficult to determine how he came to know). OR the endowment is an ancient and eternal ordinance dating back to Adam and the patriarchs that has left degenerated pieces scattered down through time throughout most every nation and culture. And Joseph brought them together whole again . Or a bit of both I suppose. 😉 It all depends on your starting viewpoint I think.

    "Why some people leave the Church"

    He said that under Joseph and to contradict Hyrum's discourse. It would have been more an expression of loyalty than a power grab.

    "Why some people leave the Church"

    Which is why Brigham Young once commented that he "would not give the ashes of a rye straw for these three books [The Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine & Covenants] so far as they are efficacious for the salvation of any man that lives, without the living oracles of God."