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  1. I dispute the acting under inspiration part, yes. God is not the author of confusion. And the abitrary nature of WoW policy has nothing consistent about it.
  2. Agreed. It's the arbitrary adding and changing of temple worthiness requirements that cause concern.
  3. If you're pointing out that health concerns aren't the deciding issue, I don't think anyone is disagreeing.
  4. Easy answer - because obedience is the real test of the Word of Wisdom. It has never really been about healthy vs unhealthy science. So we follow the Lord's instruction either to the level of the revelation or to the level of the current leadership policy. But it's about what we are willing to follow, not health science. D&C 89:2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days— 3 Given for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints.
  5. Recorded by men mostly after his death. Not by him. So we are back to the beginning again. If you reject the words of men, and those words are the ONLY sources we have to learn about God and Christ, how can you say we know anything at all about them? Rejection of prophets and apostles requires rejection of Christ. We know absolutely nothing about Christ that wasn't written by mortal men.
  6. Written by the same men you say are only spouting their own feelings, taking his name in vain, and trying to get their way. You can't denounce the writers of scripture and then say 'except for when they say things in Christ's name'. That's no different from the D&C.
  7. Sure he does. You questioned whether we can believe the ONLY records we have of him. You said "Too many use God to spout their true feelings inside and that's what writers have done in the Bible. They have broken the commandment to not take God's name in vain, or use Him to get their way." If the Bible is just man made then we know nothing of Christ but man's opinion.
  8. Not if the spirit of prophecy actually requires a testimony of Christ and you reject everything we know of Christ's existence as suspect. The exact opposite of faith in Christ is to doubt everything we know about him.
  9. The God you believe in doesn't have any source. You can't say "God wouldn't do that" while simultaneously rejecting everything recorded concerning God. That makes a God of fantasy.
  10. Now the Bible can't be trusted. You don't trust prophets, leaders, believers, or God's word. So I'll ask again - how do you believe in God or Christ when the ONLY things we know about them come from these sources? Brigham was exactly right as usual. "If we have any lack of confidence in those whom the Lord has appointed to lead the people, how can we have confidence in a being whom we know nothing about? It is nonsense to talk about it. It will weaken a person quicker to lose confidence in those who dictate the affairs of God's kingdom on the earth, than to say “I do not know whether there is a God or not, and I care nothing about Him.” A man or woman will not be prepared to be taken by the enemy, and led captive by the devil so quickly for disbelieving in a being they do not know about, as for disbelieving in those whom they do know."
  11. The Fall from God's presence was literal, not just spiritual. When the earth was moved from its place near Kolob the manner of measuring time, lifespan, and other things changed.
  12. So the resurrected Jesus of religious art could actually be a fair skinned blue eyed guy, not a olive skinned dark hair/eyed Jew? If he wants to be...
  13. I like how you phrased this. Omnipotence and omniscience are always within a specific sphere. Complete omnipotence and omniscience are absurd ideas.
  14. The bolded parts. Because they aren't basic facts of LDS theology.
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