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  1. Well there are several scriptures I believe point towards a married Christ, even a polygamous Christ. But the are subject to interpretation so not worth getting bogged down by right now. But I have a different question. Do you have one proving he didn't? I realize the onus is on the one claiming something happened, but in what way does the limited detail in the Bible lead us to doubt his marital status? Remember, the Bible mentions Christ's infancy, his teaching in the temple age 12, and the jumps to his ministry around age 33. That's TWO DECADES of his life we have no Biblical record of (a few apocryphal texts but nothing biblical). What do you think he did from age 12 to 32? What did most young men in that society do?
  2. Not at all. She was a virgin up till she conceived Christ. Where is the scripture stating she remained such after conception? It's true the veil was restored and she stated she had never known a man, but she apparently had no recorded memory of what happened when she was "taken away in the spirit". She was a virgin. Then she wasn't. Like most people.
  3. No part of that precludes consummation. She was a virgin, she consummated her marriage, she conceived Christ.
  4. You have no way of knowing that. It is pure assumption.
  5. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    It's still scriptural- days of Peleg etc. Scripture still represents official doctrine of the Church doesn't it?
  6. What makes you think that Mary's marriage with her eternal husband was unconsummated?
  7. I agree completely. To be clear, we only have record of two children conceived in polygamy during Joseph's life, one to Heber C. Kimball and one to William Clayton. Joseph told Clayton that he might have to publicly discipline him (for appeances) but then he'd baptize him again and he'd be just fine. Joseph had no issues with polygamous offspring which clearly shows he wasn't establishing just "sealings", whatever those would be.
  8. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Thus entire thread makes me chuckle - so many Mormons arguing for sprinkling instead of immersion. What good Catholics we would make. Maybe when the earth is baptized by fire and celestialized that will be local too, a local sea of glass. And some of the earth will be left terrestrial and some telestial. Yeah, that's the ticket. I think Australia can be the terrestrial kingdom, but where shall we put the telestial hell? New Jersey?
  9. I don't believe your explanation of verses 51 or 61 match up with the history and they ignore other verses.
  10. Had to google it- Alice Cooper's father and grandfather were leaders in the Bickertonite offshoot, not the Hedrickites. So that would be Sidney Rigdon grabbing the torch. Too bad he didn't have enough ordinances to get the gig. Or really, not too bad at all.
  11. If Joseph himself never practiced polygamy but we still had D&C 132 as a revelation from God as you state, then something would change...Joseph would have disobeyed God. And the results for him personally would be truly terrible. To receive a revelation from God a refuse to follow it? Bad results.
  12. A lack of faith is not a fruit of polygamy.
  13. Except it does because verse 34 clarifes the law in 28-31. 34 God commanded Abraham, and Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham to wife. And why did she do it? Because this was the law; and from Hagar sprang many people. This, therefore, was fulfilling, among other things, the promises.
  14. If we believe that plural marriage is a part of the body of eternal or Celestial law by its nature and that there are eternal blessings connected to the keeping of that law then it stands to reason. Do we really think we can keep a law that our Heavenly Father and our Savior never did? Or receive the blessings predicated on obedience to that law that they didn't? No. Jesus and Heavenly Father both lived plural marriage, else the would have no right to require it as part of their eternal gospel at any point.
  15. Same thing, last I read the words of the sealing ceremony.