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  1. I think the bigger issue is that in addition to studying Christ's life we have an accountability to teach on the things Christ wants us to actually do. You see these other faiths devote so much time to praise and his life yet they mostly ignore his actual teachings and requirements. In the Church we focus on missionary work because Christ commanded that we feed his sheep. We focus on temple work because Christ told the apostles if they are not baptized, washed and anointed they have no place with him. We have the sacrament every single meeting to be certain we never neglect to remember him. It's easy to focus on praise if you don't think Christ expects or requires any other action beyond believing and praising. But Christ never asked for praise, he didn't even want to be called good. He just wanted to get his Father's will done. Not every Lord, Lord, but them that do. So I will take every sermon on how to live as Christ requires over any sermon filled with cries of Lord. Because I know which he would want. Because in Church we HAVE studied him.
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    In case it turns out you are wrong...

    I just want the job of greeting atheists as they pass through the veil.
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    In case it turns out you are wrong...

    If this gave you comfort I am glad. He may even have received true information from beyond the veil. But revelation has many sources. And that can even include google.
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    Revelation and the Ordinances

    I believe the following items are eternal, unchanging and have been part of every valid endowment ordinance: Washing & anointing and other initiatory blessings Clothing in a garment featuring the same eternal pattern The teachings on the creation and plan of salvation used on all worlds. The covenants The signs, tokens and penalties The original pre 1990s veil ceremony Temple prayer These I don't call presentation but rather the power of the endowment. I do believe the presentation of these elements is changeable as Joseph told Brigham to arrange them, and as some elements of the restored presentation would not have existed in earlier dispensations. Some had visions on mountains, some saw live actors, others films. Joseph managed to give the first seven men their endowments all by himself. In short, I agree with Brigham: "Let me give you the definition in brief. Your endowment is, to receive all those ordinances in the House of the Lord, which are necessary for you, after you have departed this life, to enable you to walk back to the presence of the Father, passing the angels who stand as sentinels, being enabled to give them the key words, the signs and tokens, pertaining to the Holy Priesthood, and gain your eternal exaltation in spite of earth and hell."
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    Revelation and the Ordinances

    Except those have changed too over the years. Very little remains intact from the days of restoration to Joseph or Brigham.
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    Revelation and the Ordinances

    The endowment wasn't revealed all at once but over time. As MFB already said there is a huge difference between the ordinances and the presentation of the ordinances. (Although I strongly disagree with how that truth is generally applied in the Church today). If you have studied Church history then you should be able to trace easily when each element of the endowment was revealed. The trickier part is determining the pinnacle event in the prophet's life when it coalesced into a complete act. And given how Moses, Abraham and probably even the Savior received their endowments I've often wondered if Joseph had a similar experience some time between Liberty Jail and the Red Brick Store. The wording for the ordinances is basically the same as for the living except for the "for and in behalf...who is dead". I doubt there was a specific revelation to announce that.
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    Mary, the Mother of Christ

    😅😅 You get the contradictions related to your statement right? The Church says a prophet doesn't have to say "Thus saith the Lord" to declare revelation. Yet the Church says a prophet is only a prophet when speaking as such. And by the mouth of my servants or myself it's the same. And scriptures are our standards, but the living prophet is more important to follow than scripture. And the words of living prophet, but not every teaching by the prophet, and yet the 15 agreed, and still only one appointed to receive, and on, and on. What a mass of confusion they have created. And Brigham was the living prophet, God's mouthpiece when he spoke. No subsequent prophet has contradicted him. In fact as Tacenda showed many have agreed. How many prophets does it take to reveal a truth?
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    Mary, the Mother of Christ

    True. But it seems to me that everyone picks and chooses a belief they prefer among those ideas. And when both are equally likely I see no reason we should lean either way beyond personal belief. Yet on this topic those who believe Christ was sired in a traditional natural manner are portrayed as out of step, but those who favor the Celestial turkey baster theory are seen as somehow more respectful of deity.
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    Mary, the Mother of Christ

    Except you already know what Mormonism teaches on this. And you are right that there are differences. I believe those differences are true, you don't. So yes, when some Mormon leaders teach Christ was created by natural law and that means the old fashioned way by his father and mother I believe that. Other members don't. Sectarian Christianity doesn't. The lack of shared belief between two different religions is interesting but shouldn't matter to either.
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    Mary, the Mother of Christ

    I agree with him. Like I've said many times it may not be an official doctrine of the Church but it has been widely taught in the Church by its prophets. I get that it differs from traditional "Christian" beliefs. That's a big So What for me since I have no desire to match my beliefs with a religion that isn't mine. I don't care that it doesn't match Islam or Hinduism either. I don't understand why it is offensive other than disagreeing with a religious belief.
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    Mary, the Mother of Christ

    Well we know even less about the creation of spirit children. I am comfortable with Heavenly Father marrying Mary and fathering a child physically with her if he is her creator. Spiritually we are all brothers and sisters but nobody seems to have a problem marrying and having children with their spiritual siblings. I think we either don't fully understand the nature of spiritual families or we don't fully understand the process of spiritual creation.
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    Mary, the Mother of Christ

    Wow Tacenda. Great references. That's the part I don't understand. Why on earth should it be repulsive for his physical body to have been created by the same method as every other physical body on the planet ever was? It makes no sense to me to be repulsed that a baby was born due to sex. The idea of an immaculate conception on the other hand is pure nonsense, as is the doctrinally false idea of a spirit creating the physical when those with physical bodies have power over spirits.
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    Mary, the Mother of Christ

    Are there really Mormons that don't already know we are different from other Christian sects? I don't particularly worry about inclusion in a club that has tenets I disagree with. There is no such thing as LDS doctrine. The Church takes no position on this. Several prophets of the restoration have. And the quote that started this tangent implies it still exists in the Church.
  14. Whether or not my beliefs match any other Christian religion doesn't matter to me at all. And yes, HJW is right. And there are many members who are uncomfortable with the idea. But the fact that there are Gods above God has been a part of Mormonism almost from the beginning. Even the Church today that sometimes puts a ceiling on progression will occasionally allow those teachings to peek through.
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