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  1. I am starting to see what @Navidad is talking about when I read the below from a talk from Pres. Kimball. Also I'm understanding more why he did what he did while president/prophet concerning the Native Americans. And I can definitely see why the website's author/authors are upset here https://lamanitetruth.com/the-list/ The so-called Lamanites didn't need to be changed into what they are not and that is that they are from Jeruselem. Below is the link to Pres. Kimball's talk, and a quote. https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/1975/12/our-paths-have-met-again?lang=eng "The Lamanites must rise again in dignity and strength to fully join their brethren and sisters of the household of God in carrying forth his work in preparation for that day when the Lord Jesus Christ will return to lead his people, when the millennium will be ushered in, when the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory and its lands be united and become one land. For the prophets have said, “The remnant of the house of Joseph shall be built upon this land; and it shall be a land of their inheritance; and they shall build up a holy city unto the Lord, like unto the Jerusalem of old; and they shall no more be confounded, until the end come when the earth shall pass away.” (Ether 13:8.)"
  2. Now with my differing views in the church, I ordered some coffee that is infused with supplements and supposedly good for you. I have a one-cup cheap coffee maker. I tried it and had to throw it down the sink it was so bad. I will have to drink it slowly. But when I threw away the little filter I made to make it work, it stunk up my house so much. My father drank coffee and wore garments, haha, but he drank it for his chronic back pain stemming from an accident in his youth. I use to love the smell it gave off in our home in my young adult years. And once in a while I'd sneak a cup from his old coffee pot that sat on top of the stove, not a fancy coffee maker. And I'd drink it black, lol! It got me going in the morning and my typing speed was so fast in 1st period in high school, lol. My dad told me while I was young that coffee would turn my knees black. Don't know where he came up with that! My dad was told he had to drink decaf coffee in order to renew his recommend and attend my temple marriage. But he soon changed back to caffeinated. He basically went to church for my mother, and sometimes it was too painful because of the hard bench in our chapel at the time. He was sealed to my mother in the Manti temple. I believe he had a testimony. But he needed his coffee I guess. I'm just wondering why I can't get use to the taste or smell now? Since even my oldest son asked me to try coffee instead of my addiction to Diet Dr. Pepper. But I can't do it, and I think tea would be better. But still can't do that either. Just my darn pop!
  3. Today my son came up from his cave downstairs and wanted to give me a marijuana gummy bear that someone gave him, he thinks I need it I guess. He's 21 btw, but I saw that and I came unglued. I've known about these gummy bears before and thought it strange that adults needed it to be in candy form, but I just about blew a gasket when I saw how close it came to the gummy bears kids buy in stores. And having my young grandsons in my home right now because I'm tending them, must have sent me over the edge when I saw this one little blue gummy bear in a baggy. And how easily a child could ingest if the adults in their lives aren't careful to put them in a safe place. It enraged me enough that now I want to go publicly against these. What is wrong with adults that need this in a candy form like this? I'm glad I have this forum to rant on, keeps me off of FB for a spell. But I am all for medicinal marijuana but presented as a medicine NOT a candy.
  4. I don't think LDS women are vain. I do know many women that have had plastic surgery though. I'm related to one that had breast implants because one boob was not the same as the other as far as size and it bothered her and helped her self esteem to get the surgery. And another relative that had plastic surgery on her face and neck area, and very TBM. But this doesn't bother me in the slightest. And I believe many LDS women who give birth to many babies have body issues because it can wreck havoc. And last but not least we need to get in men's heads to love their wives for who they are. I even have a husband that is too worried about how much I weigh. And it's only making the situation worse because he's always worried if I ran on the treadmill, or comparing me to my very fit sisters in California, one of which is a personal trainer and marathon runner and eight years older than me, and looks younger than me, haha. So these messages need to stop IMO. Maybe it is church messages as well. Because sometimes in talks the leaders will comment on looks. And grooming etc. Or women need to wear a little lipstick, Pres. Ballard, etc. But no biggie. Edit: Just ran across this KSL article. It appears to me that in Utah there just may be a vain problem, or keeping up with the Jones. Or actually, women tend to dress for each other on occasion just to fit in. So not a vain problem or is a vain problem mixed in with insecurities and the need to be accepted. https://www.ksl.com/article/19769678/utah-women-share-feelings-about-having-cosmetic-surgery C/P'd because sometimes people don't like clicking on links. But the below are a few of the many that were interviewed that are pretty telling... “I had been married to a verbally and physically abusive man who had told me I looked like a boy when I was naked. I had given birth to two children, and my breasts had lost some volume from that, but also from weight loss in general due to all the marital stress I was under,” said Claire, now 40, from Salt Lake City. “Upon divorcing him, I elected to get breast augmentation surgery to boost my self-esteem. I never had a problem with body image before that abusive relationship. Before I had kids, I was pretty perfect in my opinion.” “I had saddlebags: I had to buy pants a size bigger and have my (pants) waists taken in just to fit my thighs. Honestly, it was a huge issue for me; I thought about it every single time I got dressed or went shopping,” said Deborah, 32, who lives in Ogden but is from the East Coast. “(In my home state I would think) I have to dress to hide this, it’s nothing horrible; I can deal with it. Then I moved out here, where there are a lot more young people. I’ve never seen so many people with perfect makeup and hair.” Four of the five women interviewed referred to a culture of image or perfection in Utah. Becky, who grew up in Hawaii and is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as are all of these women, observed, “Utah has its own culture; everything here is different. There’s Utah hair, the Bumpits (plastic hair inserts). They all wear the same thing, they wear the same jeans, the same clothes. I’m (even) seeing it with my (12-year-old) daughter’s classmates.” “I’ve been a member of the (LDS) Church my whole life,” Deborah said. “It seems like (in Utah) at church it’s all about appearance; back (East), church was a place to go because you need that peace. Here it’s because it’s a social club, everyone in your neighborhood goes. It was a huge culture shock when I moved here. No one (at home) had Bumpits. We were trying to get our hair to sit down.”
  5. I know, I am so bad at jumping on a bandwagon of others' beefs about what the church does wrong. But when you see news reports of the situation they say "volunteers" . But not missionary volunteers. That is the distinction. But I know the church has to step lightly or carefully around these issues in countries like Russia. So apologise for my remark. I don't know what my problem is. Well I do, but it's been a problem to figure out where I lean. ETA: Here is a link to DN and LDS Living. In one they are missionaries in Russia and in the other they are LDS volunteers, after Russia said there was to be no religious proselyting in their country. I don't really care about the word usage that much though, but jumped on the wagon, and now getting off it for a bit. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900061355/russia-releases-two-latter-day-saint-volunteers-after-nearly-three-weeks-in-jail.html http://www.ldsliving.com/Church-Defends-6-Missionaries-Deported-from-Russia-Releases-Statement/s/83086
  6. Could be, and maybe they aren't as bad as they use to be. Here's an interesting article. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900008530/lds-founders-of-beauty-redefined-say-the-road-to-body-image-resilience-is-found-in-power-and-purpose.html c/p'd: "Two-thirds of Utah Mormon women know someone who has undergone cosmetic plastic surgery," reported the Utah Women and Leadership Project. "In a state known for its conservative and wholesome values, visitors are surprised at the large quantity of billboards lining Utah’s interstate freeway advertising plastic surgery and other body-manipulating procedures."
  7. I don't think the church is honest in saying these are "volunteers". And when sending the call to missionaries, it's listed as a mission. Why is the church doing that? "Honest in all our dealings" except.....
  8. I don't know really, I just read it on the link, did you go to it and read more? I wouldn't mind if you disagree, in hopes you vs. them are right. Because it's pretty upsetting. Especially since in our history books they lie or leave out what the settlers did to these people.
  9. My BIL from CA was flabberghasted at all of the billboards he saw along Utah's highways for breast enhancements/erectile dysfunction/botox etc. he saw here. I was like, hmm, hadn't noticed. And now I see what he means, lol. https://www.ksl.com/article/43505715/utah-no-6-in-us-for-number-of-plastic-surgeons-per-capita
  10. I don't know if this is a conundrum or not in the BoM, but it's a mighty disservice for the Native Americans. https://lamanitetruth.com/the-lamanite-truth-project/ c/p: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has identified “American Indians” as Lamanites since its founding in 1830. The Introduction to the Book of Mormon states, “After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are among the ancestors of the American Indians.” The Book of Mormon is still being taught to Native Americans and Indigenous peoples as being an accurate historical record of their direct ancestors. Archaeology, DNA, and Indigenous oral history all disprove this claim. The terms: American Indian, Indian, Lamanite, and Children of Lehi are all labels the church has used interchangeably throughout its history to identify Native Americans. Since the Book of Mormon uses the term “American Indian” this will appear often throughout the Lamanite Truth Project, but only to reflect the Mormon terminology. Please be sensitive to the Native American community as they have often been wrongly labeled, which is connected to colonization. The most acceptable terms to use are Native American or Indigenous. Listed below are just some of the issues surrounding the term Lamanite when used to identify “American Indians”: 1- Native Americans have a rich and beautiful heritage. Telling Native Americans that they do not know their own history or ancestry is offensive. The act of replacing their heritage is a form of colonization and cultural genocide. This should never have happened to begin with, but with the knowledge we now have it definitely should not still be happening within Mormonism. 2- Native American cultural and spiritual traditions are considered remnants of evil within the Lamanite story found in the Book of Mormon. This destroys the beauty and spirituality of real living people. Native Americans should feel no shame over their cultural traditions, nor shame about their ancestors. They have been forced to choose between culture and the church, for choosing both is not welcomed in Mormonism. 3- Native American evil ancestry – The Book of Mormon teaches that American Indian ancestors were so evil that God cursed them by completely withdrawing His spirit from them. This is the reason Mormons give as to why Native Americans had no religion when America was colonized. This shows complete disregard for religious freedom, and total ignorance about Native American spirituality. The level of evil required for God to completely withdraw His spirit from an entire people has been put upon American Indians in the pages of the Book of Mormon. 4- Native American ancestors were cursed with dark skin in the Book of Mormon. This dark skin curse was a physical sign of the greater curse, God removing His spirit from them. Darkened skin, as taught in the Book of Mormon, is a sign to more righteous people. God did this so the righteous might easily identify the unrighteous. God’s purpose for this physical sign of dark skin was to keep the righteous people from mixing (marrying) with the unrighteous people. Teaching living Native American people that this is the reason for their skin pigmentation, that it is a punishment from God, is deeply offensive. 5- Native Americans pass on the sign of the curse, darkened skin, to their children. Another generation of Native American descendants raised with toxic religious racism. Babies… Native Americans should not be told that the pigmentation of their beautiful new babies are the result of ancestral curses. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints claims it never apologizes. In this instance it needs to. Speculation over “Lamanite” identity needs to cease. 6- Native Americans that join Mormonism are promised that the curse that God removed His spirit from them will be lifted if they join the Mormon church. However, any of their family that does not join The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints will still carry the curse. This deeply hurts and affects family relationships. Cultural shaming pushed into and between family members. 7- Native Americans have been taught that their skin will lighten in pigment as they embrace the gospel within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. This is no longer a much talked about aspect of Lamanite identity, but it still exists. Living Native Americans were taught this and raised with this belief. 8- Native American ancestors turned away from God in the Lamanite story, thereby causing the Indigenous genocide and colonization of America. The Book of Mormon states that God punishes them with with the bloodshed of their people and the taking of their land. God brings people from other nations and gives American Indian lands to the new more righteous people. The Book of Mormon states: “Yea, he will bring other nations unto them, and he will give unto them power, and he will take away from them the lands of their possessions, and he will cause them to be scattered and smitten. Yea, as one generation passeth to another there shall be bloodsheds…” (2 Nephi: Chap 1) This is a massively disrespectful teaching to the surviving and living descendants of Native American and Indigenous peoples. Their ancestors deaths and loss of land were not the result of being evil, and should not be dishonored with such a myth. Blaming Native Americans for their own genocide and colonization is beyond toxic. The above teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in regards to Lamanites and American Indians are current. To explore these teachings I have included the transcripts below of two conversations I had with Mormon missionaries: (Note: I will not include the names of the missionaries in the transcript as I want to protect them. I do not hold an 18 or 19 year old responsible for being taught false doctrine with the church’s long held policy of American Indian erasure.)
  11. This is what my mom thought, minus that women were better, just that they could give birth to a child, she thought the men needed something as miraculous I guess. This was her reasoning. Without knowing it, I think my mom might have been struggling with the reasons for the church not agreeing to the ERA and was a closet feminist maybe. I just remember her saying what she said out of the blue to me when I was a teen.
  12. Shoot, I hope they return, whomever it is. But I have my ideas.
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    Thanks, I had the same thing happen to me! I'll post below what I had typed, now with spaces. Thank heavens someone found p e n i cillin by looking at the mold that accumulated on a culture plate. What if he hadn't noticed!?! (unable to post the link for some strange reason) "Often described as a careless lab technician, Fleming returned from a two-week vacation to find that a mold had developed on an accidentally contaminated staphylococcus culture plate. Upon examination of the mold, he noticed that the culture prevented the growth of staphylococci."
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