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  1. Your 1st statement is not true. I thought about issuing a CFR. The temple prep class needs work, imo, but a person preparing for the temple can read or study whatever they want to, though probably many choose not to. There are several books and articles by apostles and general authorities that talk about the temple and the covenants. Even 10 years ago, when I was preparing, I found a lot of information on the church website and realised that the scriptures reference much of what happens in the temple. And now, the church has more specific videos on its website. You don't have to go through blind. As for the meat being carnage, that's a very subjective and hyperbolic term. Which is why many stay.
  2. So, you are able to speak for Emma and Brigham's wives and know better than them what they experienced? When we have their own words about it? What would you say if someone else denied them their voices or feelings about something? They do not describe it as hell. As for Jeff's, some still support him, despite his crimes. (Amazingly, in my opinion, but they do). You can think of it as hell, you cannot impute that to others. If you complain that others can't say they would be ok with adultery unless they've been through it, you can't put your feelings onto others who have experienced Polygamy. You may not be happy with their choice, and you may try as many do, to remove their choice and their voice and claim they were coerced / manipulated, but some are ok with Polygamy (even now, see Sister Wives). Every person has their own choice/belief /desire to make. Do you not believe that?
  3. This is where you keep going wrong. Maybe it's because I'm a convert, but I'm not aware of any teaching of the COJCOLDS that suggests there is anyone between us as individuals and the Lord and there is certainly no middle man for me. There are men and women in certain positions who organise the church and provide counsel and who ask me to help the Lords work in some way. What do you think a pastor does? How do you think other churches are organised and administered? In other churches, I helped in primary and ran a youth club and helped with social events. My then minister and the church stewards asked me. The youth club kids wanted to do the church garden. We had to ask the minister who had to ask his supervisor for permission. Members don't just do things. There is always a hierarchy and an organisation. But there is never anyone in the COJCOLDS or in any other church that is between you and the Lord.
  4. All believers in Christ live up to that name. These are the latter days as opposed to the days of the bible and book of Mormon. And saints is merely another word for Christian or follower of Christ. To be a saint is to believe in Him and be trying to follow Him. It doesn't mean saintly, perfect, devout, working miracles, virtuous etc. The secular meaning is not the same as the biblical meaning which is the meaning inherent in the Church's name. If we were all saints in the way you are thinking of the term, we probably wouldn't need the Church. ☺ If I remember correctly, the name use suggestion said using just the Church of Jesus Christ was acceptable. Al is a terrific lady.
  5. I for one would say nothing. I don't pay much attention to the figures now, either finances or membership. I never paid any attention to those things in any other church that I have been a member of either. I will keep my promises and do what I can in my small part of the world and let others worry about their part. The Lord led me to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I trust Him to look after it for me if He wants me to remain a member. If we grow larger, so be it. If we shrink in numbers, we can still continue. If the Apostles waste billions of dollars or pay themselves huge sums, the Church can still continue. If the Church is well managed, if we have beautiful temples, if we only feed the poor, it is neither more or less true. The testimony of the Holy Ghost to me about where to worship is what matters to me and I don't think that is based on numbers of members and on finances.
  6. Investigation into the cause is ongoing, but the initial report from officials is that they suspect an electrical fault, nothing suspicious.
  7. Yes, it was a "working" church. I guess the fire will have affected that.
  8. I was brought up in churches that do display the cross. I don't think I'd use the word celebrate to describe it's use. It is a symbol of His sacrifice (I don't recall it being referenced as an atonement). It's supposed to be a visible symbol of His presence and an object to help focus contemplation. It should help us remember Him but sometimes it seems to become an icon and distances worshippers from Him. And the argument rages over whether it should be a crucifix with Our Lord visible, recognising His sacrifice, or be empty, emphasising His resurrection and that He lives. It wasnt referred to that often as i recall and it feels to me that it is just another part of the decor. Personally I think there may be less distraction and contention without it. I'm sure there are others who feel differently though. Again, personally I wouldn't wear a cross and never have because too many use it as a fashion statement without meaning. However, it can be a powerful symbol and there seems no reason not to wear it when it has beauty and meaning to you.
  9. Why are you so angry? What does it matter? It's an intellectual exercise with no definitive answer so why do you care so much that people follow your ideas on location? Such bitterness is sad.
  10. Macron has said he wants it repaired by 2024 when they are to host the olympics. I'm sure, with enough resources including skilled crafts people, they can have the majority of the work done by then.
  11. Btw, they are treating it as an accident, although a team of investigators has also been set up.
  12. The firemen did a brilliant job in saving the structure and much more. They clearly knew what they were doing. The fire is bad but not catastrophic. Most of the windows survived. Most of the internal objects survived. I believe the organ has survived. Staff were apparently running in to get artwork even as it was burning! The 19th century roof and spire and medieval roof timbers are gone of course. Macron has already said it will be repaired and millions of euros have already been donated. A charity raises money for its upkeep. Btw apparently it is owned by the French state and not the church due to their laws on separation of religion and state. It will take a few years but I'm sure it will be made good and in use again. In 1984, York Minster caught fire, struck by lightening. Most of the roof went. A precious medieval rose window was almost lost, but painstaking repair work restored it such you can hardly tell. The rest was also repaired, it took about 4 years, and the fire is part of its ongoing history. It remains a beautiful, spiritual place, well loved in Yorkshire and beyond. I'm sure Notre Dame can be the same.
  13. Not sure what machine the American had, but we have some very good washer/dryer machines. We also have small houses with small kitchens and no utility rooms. On our little island space is at a premium. Combined or small appliances are essential. I had a separate dryer and now have a combination washer/dryer and there's not much difference. And I don't take my clothes out damp. I just give it more time! There is a dry only programme to allow that. I've had my machine for more than 5 years and it's hardly a top of the line machine. I do have to air dry a lot of clothes, which aren't supposed to be tumble dried and a lot of people I know prefer to air dry their clothes, a culture thing I suppose. But electricity costs are very high in the UK and wages aren't and air drying is free. I find the article a little patronising tbh.
  14. What stories do women want told about their lives today? What shape do their lives reflect in contemporary American culture and how are those lives mediated by contemporary politics and culture? You think a man can answer those questions about the lives of women? Something he can only experience 2nd hand and would involve hearsay? Wouldn't that be an example of mansplaing? Sometimes it's necessary to be gender specific.
  15. ☺ they were all about 10 minutes long. It's pretty regular that we squeeze in a 4th speaker or testimony. We have a small number of attendees so the sacrament doesn't take that long most weeks and our members are diffident speakers so keep their talks short!
  16. No, we have the intermediate hymn still. We had 4 speakers today! Generally, we still have 3. We did lose the final hymn today because we were late starting, waiting for our bishop to finish a meeting!
  17. Why not look into tree burials? There are places in the US where you can be buried in a wood or in a capsula mundi pod so you feed a tree or other plant. There are over 250 places in the UK which do this.
  18. Norway appears to have a partial ban and it seems that a growing number of countries are considering bans or greater controls at least, mostly it seems because of the ethics. Seems like there's a growing movement against non thereupeutic circumcision.
  19. both people and government frequently make demands on what parents must do and surely causing harm is one area where society can interfere. I presume you wouldn't suggest that a parent be allowed to abuse their child? It seems to me to a valid discussion as to whether the harm in circumcision outweighs the benefit or vice versa and whether or not it's an area where there should be interference.
  20. I am aware of it and have raised it leading up to the change and will continue to refer to it and hope that a more nuanced view takes hold or that people's sociability (and they are generally a sociable group) changes their initial response.
  21. Or compare the UK and the USA. We have similar cultures but circumcision is very low - 6 - 9 % and mainly for religious reasons. I've never heard it discussed as a possibility for a newborn boy. Rates of ill health are often the same or similar (eg obesity, cancer) so comparison of genital health may be enlightening. Interestingly, it used to be around 35% in the UK in the 1930s but fell rapidly after the war, probably because the government said it wasn't necessary and refused to do it for free.
  22. People in my ward tend to take things very literally - they are told the meeting is shorter to allow for more family time so that's what they go and do. I have heard some say they cant stop, even for essential meetings because its family time. 2 weeks ago they would have stayed and chatted or held a meeting, now they wont. It's part of why I worried about the changes and how it would affect the single adults. It may change in time.
  23. I'm not sure! Most people have generally kept to time in their talks. We usually have a young person 1st for 5 minutes and they are usually shorter than that. We then have a 10 minute talk and a 15-20 minute talk and again most have stayed within that time. We do have verbose members but I think most struggle to produce 10 minutes. Also, we had no announcements at all - we stopped making announcements in Sacrament meeting years ago and were making them in priesthood/relief society. We will now be using the Internet and the notice board! And it doesn't take all that long usually to pass the Sacrament because of the low number of attendees. In the past, we rarely ran over time and have even finished early so having 10 minutes less may not be too much of a problem!
  24. We still had three talks and an intermediate hymn in Sacrament meeting. I don't think the length of the talks was different either and we finished by 11am. We have not had more attend, we were very light on numbers last Sunday. We had hardly anyone in relief society. We don't have a ward choir and haven't for years. People also have rushed off at the end when they used to linger and chat which is disappointing.
  25. I ticked no 1, but on reflection, our meeting probably fell within no 2'a parameters! We only had a sacrament meeting, of about an hour. We sang 5 carols, primary sang a carol and we had three short talks, one on the gift of Christmas, one on finding peace at Christmas and the rest of the year and one on the birth of Jesus, delivered by yours truly! There was a mention of Joseph in Liberty Jail and I mentioned him in my testimony at the end of my talk. I do think we kept it very much Christ centred but I think most of our sacrament meetings are Christ centred.
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