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  1. sheilauk

    The Demise of Scouting

    The Church has announced its separation from the BSA snd all other scouting associations from 31 December 2019. It will roll out a new children and youth program in 2020, worldwide.
  2. sheilauk

    The Demise of Scouting

    Thanks, those are the better words I was searching for and couldn't think of! (its late here and I'm tired!)☺
  3. sheilauk

    The Demise of Scouting

    They are part of the same world wide scouting community but i believe each country is able to make their own variations to rules, uniform and programs. Edited to add - both organisations belong to the world organisation of scouting, like many other countries, but each is an independent organisation. NB remember scouting began in the UK!
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    The Demise of Scouting

    The UK and other countries manage. I assume the UK scouts rely on membership fees, fundraising and other donations. The USA may have to review their costs and perhaps stop the more costly activities, but I'm sure they could work it out. getting adults to volunteer as leaders might be the hardest part, it seems to be the main issue in the UK.
  5. sheilauk

    The Demise of Scouting

    Not at all. No groups, no callings, no meetings. The scouts are completely separate. of course some children are members of their local groups, but that's their choice and in addition to any church activities. UK scouting have their own campgrounds which they hire out so church youth camps have been held at scout campgrounds for convenience, but no official links.
  6. sheilauk

    The Demise of Scouting

    Meanwhile, in other (less important) parts of the world. .. scouting has been mixed in the UK for quite a few years and numbers are steadily growing. certainly no demise of scouts or guides. only last Friday I attended a local awards ceremony and one of the leaders said the troops worked better with girls in them as the boys were calmer! and from an LDS point of view, the UK wards have no connection to the scouts, run the Faith in God program for primary children and weekly activities for the youth, with annual young women and young men camps which are church based and seem to be well attended and enjoyed. I think your pessimism is not necessary and USA cubs and scouts and the church will survive the changes - just follow us!
  7. sheilauk

    RS council Sunday

    We sit in a circle with the chairs against the walls around the room, no other rows, but there are about 20 of us. We are not in the chapel but in a classroom. We have had good discussions, which have been facilitated or led and haven't been like lessons. Everyone seems to have adapted quickly and well. The RS presidency are setting the chairs out at the end of Sunday School.
  8. Nothing was said in our sacrament meeting, no letter was read out, but our Bishop was away. I don't know what happened with the men's meetings, but there was no change in relief society nor any mention of any of the changes, but again the RS president was away.
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    The next six months final sunday topic?

    There are suggestions given in the gospel library app. My question us when does it start, this month or in May? At first, I was thinking May but since the app has been updated already, maybe it's April?
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    Were you taught not to go to the police?

    In the UK we have a regular crime survey. A percentage are polled, as they poll prior to elections, and asked if they've experienced crime and if it has been reported. From that, they determine the numbers who have been victims and the reporting rates as they compare the results to police statistics.
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    Were you taught not to go to the police?

    Indeed. Sharon Eubank has recited a story about a friend who met a Ghanaian woman who told her that this was a woman's church because it taught that abuse was wrong and the men had stopped hitting their wives. No doubt individuals get it wrong at times and no doubt we can all do better, but I think we are generally trying to do our best.
  12. sheilauk

    Were you taught not to go to the police?

    I agree. my anecdotal and limited experience tells me reporting is simply generally very low, especially with sexual abuse and domestic violence. I'd like to see a detailed study along the lines of your suggestion, the one in Hamba's country and the BYU one.
  13. sheilauk

    Were you taught not to go to the police?

    I like the idea of asking victims. In my experience, the courts are traumatic and heavy handed, but often there is nothing else available to make it stop or provide protection. Counselling services and other help are just not available in the UK due to public spending cuts and a lack of caring. It's frustrating. Mormons at least have a bishop and family services.
  14. sheilauk

    Home/Visiting Teaching to be discontinued

    I don't see why if you want and need that to happen, the ministering brothers should not continue doing all that! I also don't see why you should lose those brothers as your "ministers". As far as I can seem it's mostly a change of name and changes to paperwork, plus cooperation between presidencies. It's a renewed emphasis on how it always should have been. Your HTs seem to have been acting in the spirit intended!
  15. sheilauk

    Were you taught not to go to the police?

    Not reporting to the police is a common idea among all people. That some Mormons don't feel able to is of no surprise to me. No one is taught it but no one will do it. They are afraid of eg reprisals, the involvement of social services, breaking up the family, not being believed, being further humiliated, or because they think the police will not do anything, or its because they love the offender and believe/want him/her to change. In the case of abuse, they and others involved or aware can also feel an unspoken pressure to stay silent. This was particularly so in the past when sexual assault was not spoken about. I have worked in criminal law for 30 years, sadly little has changed, though there has been a surge in reporting historical abuse. It can take years and many assaults before someone has the strength to report abuse. heck, people won't even get involved when they have witnessed fights, thefts, damage, etc. When they do report it, they can feel ashamed or embarrassed about the delay. This attitude is not exclusive to Mormons, religious people or any group. Most of the victims I have encountered have shown varying degrees of reluctance. I have suffered two sexual assaults. In neither case did I report it. (I would now) Victims need support 1st before they report and no victim should be forced (encouraged, yes) to report a crime, even if the perpetrator wants to confess. its a traumatic experience. We need to stop blaming victims, Bishops, the Church, or whatever for what they didnt do and help people (victims and advisors and supporters) become stronger so that they feel capable of dealing with the trauma, including reporting it, when it occurs. BTW, in the UK, it's not a crime to not report a crime.