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  1. The church's Gospel Topics (Fall of Adam and Eve) says "Adam and Eve expressed their gratitude for the blessings that came as a result of the Fall"with a reference to Moses 5:10-11. What specific law (s) did Adam and Eve obey to get these mentioned blessings? Thanks, Jim
  2. The gods (the offspring of God) in the Divine Council/Assembly of some past event that you referred to before ... how do they compare to those who are said to become gods in the future (D&C 132:20)? A god becomes a god? Thanks, Jim
  3. The use of gods in the scripture are either man made gods or rulers (as in the case of the devil being called a god of this world or Moses being made a god to Pharaoh). Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
  4. Romans 8:14,17 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Only those led by the Spirit of God are considered sons and daughters of God (thus joint-heirs). If being a joint-heir means exaltation, then those not exalted are not led by the Spirit of God (making them children of the devil). Thanks, Jim
  5. Who are these gods in the Divine Council/Assembly? Thanks, Jim
  6. I think the church went a little further in the 1997 version of Gospel Principles. "3. They will have their righteous family members with them and will be able to have spirit children also. These spirit children will have the same relationship to them as we do to our Heavenly Father. They will be an eternal family." This part was removed from the current version of GP. If you are an exalted man, the implication is that your spirit children will worship you as their Heavenly Father of your worlds like you supposedly worshipped Heavenly Father of Earth. This is the path that some man from another world followed when he became a God (as Joseph Smith taught) and populated our Earth and sent Jesus to atone for sin. Thanks, Jim
  7. Which gods (past tense) are being referenced by Psalms 82:6 and which gods (future tense) are being referenced by D&C 132:20? Thanks, Jim
  8. There are cases where the use of "god" is not a reference to deity but rather to rulership (like in the cases of Moses being a god to Pharaoh; Exodus 7:1 and Satan being a god of this world; 2 Corinthians 4:4). If conformity to the Bible is the issue as you said in Genesis 3:5 and 3:22, then one would have to say that Jesus and Heavenly Father are "gods". This is not a far stretch considering that the 1997 Gospel Principles also referred to Heavenly Father as a god ("All good things come from God. Everything that he does is to help his children become like him—a god. He has said, Behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man (Moses 1:39).") In the current edition, the church removed "a god". Thanks, Jim
  9. Also found this: Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.1, p.69 - p.70: THE STRAITNESS OF THE WAY. Mortality is the testing or proving ground for exaltation to find out who among the children of God are worthy to become Gods themselves, and the Lord has informed us that "few there be that find it."
  10. Using Gods seemed to be perfectly fine for the LDS Church for many decades until they made a change in the 2013 Book of Mormon. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/scriptures/approved-adjustments_eng.pdf?lang=eng Alma 12:31—”becoming as Gods” to “becoming as gods” (lowercase gods)
  11. 1 Corinthians 15:40 onwards is sometimes difficult to understand. I think Paul is referring to the sun, moon, and other stars as celestial objects whereas Earth (terra) is terrestrial. The glory of the sun (a star, celestial) differs in glory from other stars (celestial too). The moon and the other planets would be celestial too (because they are outside / extra-terrestrial). I would say he is only talking about celestial and terrestrial (only two) because the next several verses split into a comparison of the two types of bodies (not a comparison of three). Example: sown in corruption, raised in incorruption. Sown in dishonour, raised to glory. Sown in weakness, raised to power. Natural body, spiritual body. In simple terms, apples to oranges - not apples to oranges to pears. Thanks, Jim
  12. On a clear sky, when the moon is shining in its full glory, I can see see that the intensity of light coming from a distant planet or star is greater than the moon. But then again, beauty brightness is in the eye of the beholder 🙂 Jim
  13. There are many stars which make our sun insignificant in comparison (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoW8Tf7hTGA) so it may not be appropriate to refer to 'telestial' glory as this third class. Thanks, Jim
  14. I think there are 7 biblical references to homosexuality. 2 refer to rape (Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22) 3 refer to intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:27) 1 refers to intercourse between women (Romans 1:26) 1 refers to prostitution and possibly pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) 1 is general in nature (1 Timothy 1:8-10) Do you have a reference to support your "I know" statement? Thanks, Jim
  15. What prompted the church to come out with this program at this time instead of before (for example, in the last 10 years) when child abuse by leaders in other religious groups was headline news? Jim
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