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  1. The questions need to be considered in light of Jesus being both God and man. I don't believe in the LDS teaching that Jesus became a God in the pre-mortal life when he reached some pinnacle of intelligence. Jim
  2. It's not exactly that simple. When I say Jesus Christ, I mean the Eternal God; one that never became God. When I ask Mormons who Jesus Christ is, the typical answer is that he is the first spirit child of heavenly parents. When I read LDS Church material, I further discover that he was not always God but progressed into become one when he reached a certain level of intelligence. So I think its a better idea to get a Mormon's viewpoint instead of taking some heat (from some) and tell you what I think it might mean 🙂 Thanks, Jim
  3. JLHPROF's original statement (to which I replied) didn't sound like speculation so it's odd you would use the word 'trolling' for someone to request a source for a statement. He later changed his stance to 'hypothesising.' Thanks, Jim
  4. Maybe the practice of a God creating a world where his son grew up on and eventually became a God (i.e. Heavenly Father) and who then had a son (i.e. Jesus) who created our Earth stops with this earth after Latter-day Saints supposedly become gods themselves? Jim
  5. The Religion 430-431 - Doctrine of the Gospel Student Manual says, “That Child to be born of Mary was begotten of Elohim, the Eternal Father, not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof; and, the offspring from that association of supreme sanctity, celestial Sireship, and pure through mortal maternity, was of right to be called the Son of the Highest” (p. 9). What does it mean 'not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof' mean? Thanks, Jim
  6. Do you have a reference for Christ's polygamy? Thanks, Jim
  7. I don't think hell involves other beings inflicting pain on someone, as those beings are in the same suffering position too. I found this discussion about hell - https://www.gotquestions.org/what-does-hell-look-like.html. Doctrine and Covenants 76:81 seems to indicate that people will be released from hell to be welcomed into a kingdom more glorious [assumption] than their life on earth before they died (contrast with Alma 34:32-35; 40:11-14; and 2 Nephi 9:25). "And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament. These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus. These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit. These are they who are thrust down to hell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work." Doctrine and Covenants 63:17 is a reference to liars, whoremongers, and sorcerers being cast into the lake of fire but Doctrine and Covenants 76:103,106 has these telestials (liars, sorcerers, adulterers, and whoremongers) leaving hell for a kingdom of glory. Another 'revelation' has the wicked (those who don't become gods) cursed with everlasting fire. “Therefore, I must gather together my people, according to the parable of the wheat and the tares, that the wheat may be secured in the garners to possess eternal life, and be crowned with celestial glory, when I shall come in the kingdom of my Father to reward every man according as his work shall be; While the tares shall be bound in bundles, and their bands made strong, that they may be burned with unquenchable fire” (D&C 101:65-66). I think one of the scariest section of scripture is Revelation 20:10, 15 - "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. . . . Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.” Jim
  8. I heard that at one time the KJV contained the books of the Apocrypha.
  9. Sometimes I wonder the same when reading the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Jim
  10. Verse 2 - "How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? ... Verse 6 - "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Verse 7 - "But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes." Do you believe verses 2 and 7 refer to the sinful 'gods?' Thanks, Jim
  11. Using your analogy, would that mean you are presently a "deity in embryo?" Thanks, Jim
  12. Not all NDE are joyful. https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/05/to-hell-and-back-the-dark-side-of-near-death-experiences/ Jim
  13. In what way do you believe the Bible and Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the Gospel? Thanks, Jim
  14. When I use the phrase 'by nature', I don't consider what stage of development a life is at. For example, a baby born to human parents is a human life. It is even a human life when conceived and remains a human life as he or she grows up in the womb. A baby horse is by nature a horse. Likewise, if Heavenly Father and Mother procreated spirit children, they are by nature already gods like by nature their parents are gods. Jim
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