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About DBMormon

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    Strengthening Feeble Knees and Lifting Hands that Hang Down
  • Birthday 09/14/1978

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    Geneaology, Grace & Doctrine of Christ, Mormon History, Cleveland Browns, Apologetics, discussing Faith Crisis

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  1. DBMormon

    Bill Reel Invited to Disciplinary Council

    One received the "cough Cough" special ordinance and the other didn't.... I think that does play a part like it or not
  2. DBMormon

    Bill Reel Invited to Disciplinary Council

    this still represents my testimony quite well https://mormondiscussions.org/discussion/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/The-Testimony-of-Bill-Reel.pdf
  3. DBMormon

    Bill Reel Invited to Disciplinary Council

    I see what you did there.
  4. DBMormon

    Bill Reel’s Conference Predictions

    I was informed by my source weeks before. I was told to not go public until I got the go ahead. That happened when I made the post. Facebook is not the only place I talked about this as I also did a podcast on it.
  5. DBMormon

    Bill Reel’s Conference Predictions

    The two I said I was most confident would happen in conference did (2 hour block and SLC temple closing for renovation). The others came from the same source and I was informed weeks before conference hence I have confidence that most if not all of my reported rumors were discussed in top councils pf the church. I also said upfront that I didn't expect all of these to happen, only that if the two I said would did, you could be confident about the others being in a discussion at top levels. So... theres that
  6. you actually help my point. If having determined adherents in the most crazy and absurd of religions occurs then surely it will happen in a religion that is slightly less absurd or even only mildly absurd. Pointing out that people maintain faith after knowing the issues and still believe and hence the religion must be reasonable and rational simply is a non-sequitur
  7. sure. people believe all kinds of things in spite of overwhelming evidence. Flat earthers, scientologists, Donald Trump is a good man,......... etc etc....
  8. it pushes for transparency and vulnerability and honesty..... so harm
  9. you should get to know me personally. I have a good solid group of 6 friends plus my wife and we are together every weekend pretty much. They would describe me as funny, soft, at peace, full of happiness and enjoying life. I have another couple dozen who see me close enough and regular enough to second those observations. People should not take the one facet of my speaking out against the unhealthiness of Mormonism as an indicator of how at peace I am in my daily life. That would be a grievous error. Come spend a few a days in southern Utah As to pursuing study , learning, and growing...... I think I am very much doing those things. 99% of them are outside Mormonism.
  10. you argue from a perspective I don't hold. You make only answers which support that paradigm as worthy and from God. Such is Ethnocentric and I no longer inhabit a space where God is limited with working with me in the most efficient way inside Mormonism. In other words I hold ground that God has just as much ability to work with me outside Mormonism and perhaps even do greater things. I am happy to stay on the rolls but I will not reduce my standing for what I believe in in order to do so. Hence it is at this point up to them. They are also welcome to sit with me and see if my concerns can be addressed in other ways but it appears that is not an approach they want to take. There is nothing inside institutional Mormonism that is affecting my life for Good that outweighs the trauma and harm I was experiencing weekly. There are still things inside the tribe that if I can be inactive and be on the rolls I welcome. But even if they excommunicate me, I still am seen as by those who matter to me and see myself as Mormon. So in all honesty I am in a position where it can no longer take from me. I am at peace. The court of love will be traumatic and I will feel more trauma inflicted on me through it (And so will my stake president by the way). But because I will not choose to step away from standing up for what I believe, They now have to do what they think is right and it is now up to them. They can reach out to build bridges. I have tried numerous times both behind the scenes with Elder Holland and others as well as local leaders. At the end of the day, no one offers to make space to be vulnerable to tough questions and no one wants to admit any Church caused trauma or wrongdoing above the local level.
  11. Its strange because no one has ever informed me I did something wrong in terms of rules (as far as I remember) and find it strange that I am a limited participant here. I would welcome clarification but know not where to find it. Strange
  12. who did i call a name without facts? Elder Holland? I have and am happy to give facts.
  13. This machine hurts people deeply and tells people it is something that is demonstrably not true. Those two points which I hold deeply as demonstrable and true and also important to me. My tone has increased as I have recognized that ignorance is becoming less and less of an excuse and the dishonesty and trauma are increasing in our tribe. My tone and the raised voice of all people pointing to the unhealthiness is the only legitimate outlet they have given to have issues heard. For example I asked questions on my facebook post. My stake president is not well read and admittedly has zero answers for them. The Church on the other hand could address them. They could speak to them directly. But doing so unravels everything and hence they go silent or in deceptive ways dismiss them and deflect from them. Not sure how one approaches concerns softly and thinks such is actually working. When I look at any healthy change the Church has made in the last 10 years, most of them have come due to loud critical thought. Edited to add: By the way I would welcome being soft. But that would require them telling me a valid way of hearing serious concerns and actually addressing them. The internet is here. Their narrative is falling apart and is demonstrably not what they told us. It is time to be forthright and vulnerable and end mechanisms that unrighteously cause trauma to others, especially the children.
  14. I have. It was low behavior. and sad to see.