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About bcuzbcuz

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  1. And we definitely see that reflected in the number of wealthy (throughout the world) that are incarcerated compared to those of lesser means??
  2. We can agree to disagree then. But thanks anyway for taking the time to respond
  3. I read your son's letter with extreme interest. It reminds me, with a bad taste in my mouth, of my experiences as a missionary in Sweden during the 1960's. I've told you before how we missionaries were pressured to sell and press BofM's into the hands of any unsuspecting person. One elder got his name to the front of our weekly newsletter by wrapping BofM's in Christmas wrapping paper, then selling them at Hötorget. He didn't tell people what they were buying. His line was, "This is a Christmas present that just costs one dollar. It would be bad form to tell you what is inside the wrapping." He asked the mission president to double his next week order of books. We were told every book would result in a convert, somewhere down the line. Yeah, sure. Handing out BofM's to people outside a darkened theatre following the showing of a distasteful musical is not far off the mark from what I remembered.
  4. Instead of the show being shut down, the missionaries stand outside hawking (giving away) copies of the Book of Mormon. I agree with your analysis of the show, I don't agree with placing missionaries outside the theatre in order to distribute books. I did read the post from a parent, referencing to a letter from a missionary, about how successful the program was. Apparently the mission president thinks the idea of handing out the BofM at this show is a success.
  5. I will just have to acknowledge that you and I do not see this the same way.
  6. I still cannot see the reasoning. I agree with Calm and Bernard Gui. The musical appeals to prurient interests and pee and poo jokes. I did not go with my wife, nor did I accept an invitation to see it at a separate opportunity. Yes, the church is endorsing the play by having missionaries outside. The authorities who have admonished the missionaries to stand outside the theatre, in this case, a mission president, is proclaiming, "You've seen the play, now read the book" as though the two were connected. Anyone who sees the play and then expresses interest in the church is doing so based on entirely different reasons than those they state. They are either attracted to the fine young men standing outside the theatre or they have had an interest in the church prior to seeing the play, or something similar. IMO a person saying "I saw the play, now I want to know more about the church", either slept through the whole musical or they are saying "they saw the play" in order to, or because of the, shock value it adds. It makes that person noteworthy for their 15 seconds. I have, long ago (30+ years), stopped attending church and am far more than just in-active but a declared opponent to church doctrine and the worship of Joseph Smith. But I still wouldn't see this musical because of its moronic premise, gutter jokes and stated purpose as outlined by Parker and Stone. I'd rather be locked in a room with 24 hours of "South Park" being forced into my eyes and ears.
  7. Then it would seem that the appropriate words to use, instead of they joined the church "as a result of seeing the play","they joined the church DESPITE their seeing the play". Which again returns me to my original question. "Why are Mormon missionaries handing out BofM's outside the theatre?" Can it be safely assumed that the missionaries themselves have not seen, nor do they know the content of this musical,.......other than its name? They are being asked to endorse a play that in actual fact would repulse and horrify them. It reminds me of the demonstrations against Salman Rushdie and his book "Satanic Verses". Thousands of people demonstrated against his work, not because they had actually read his book and were reviled and insulted, but merely because their religious leaders had told them to. Where is the difference?
  8. Joining the church because of a musical. It boggles the mind. That's like buying a Ford Pinto in the 1970's after watching the car explode in the crash test videos. There were certainly people who thought, "Wow! Now we can a Pinto even CHEAPER!"
  9. My wife fulfilling prophesy? Your comment gave my wife a good chuckle.
  10. Even bad news is better than no news at all?? Seriously? Results over time? I won't hold my breath.
  11. My wife went with a group of work collegues to see the musical "The Book of Mormon" on Friday night. It was their Ladies Night out and the musical had them in laughter for the whole show. To anyone who hasn't seen the musical, it is about a missionary in Africa who, when confronted with difficult questions and issues from contacts, just makes stuff up. His advice for men with aids is hilarious but disturbing. His partners attempts to convert a local war lard and the ensuing x-ray had the audience in stitches. Trey Parker and Matt Stone of "South Park" fame are the writers of the musical, which explains some of the raw moments. The part that neither my wife nor I understand is that, following the play, positioned outside all the exit doors, were groups of missionaries, each wearing the identifying name tags, handing out Books of Mormon to any and all who would accept them. A sort of "now that you've seen the musical, why not read the real book?". To understand the ludicrous in the missionary's actions is to understand the juxtaposition the musical has to the Mormon beliefs. The musical offers entertainment value of having a good belly laugh, but the not so hidden message is that this missionary, the one who just makes stuff up, is no different from Joseph Smith, who was exceedingly creative to make up all the Mormon "stuff". My wife observed a young couple travelling home on the same bus, late on this Friday night, regailing themselves in laughter by flipping open to pages in their free copy of the BofM and reading a passage. They would read a lline or two and then laugh out loud. So I repeat my question. Just what does the church hope to gain from spending time and effort in handing out the Book of Mormon at a theater play that has absolutely no connection to anything Mormon? Quite the contrary, the musical laughs repeatedly at the church.
  12. So a horse could be a pig and wheat could be chocolate, it's irrelevant. A chariot could be a turnstile, a fig , a parrot. When do words actually represent what everyone else thinks they represent? It does matter.
  13. i have nothing against opinions, I have one about almost any topic anyone should choose. But when when a CFR is called for, a reference is appreciated. It adds a level of class that surpasses an opinion.
  14. opinions are like........... everyone has one. A CFR, however, requires something more than an opinion..
  15. Once again you avoid answering to my call for any evidence from coffin texts or funerary texts to back up the idea that Abraham was a major influence in the Book of Dead spells. You have opinions but are rather (completely) short on evidence. I'm not forcing anyone to play the game of following events in time linearly. Events do happen in that order. Interpretattions can be wound around an event in whatever order one wishes. But wishful thinking doesn't change the order that actually happened. Once again, please provide some evidence that Abraham influenced Egyptians views on the afterlife, from his time of 2000 BC up to the Coptic age.