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  1. Let me see if I understand you correctly. You mean number of followers is proof of truth (or divinity)? When the balance of the number of believers tips in favour of Islam, what does that mean? Or exactly how do number of followers play into the numbers of believers in Joseph Smith? But if I haven't counted incorrectly, the number of believers in the Old Testament prophets far outnumber the believer in Christ (as the son of God). IMO number of believers is not a competent measure of holiness.
  2. Tell that to the followers of Osama bin Laden. Or the followers of Marshall Applewhite of "Heaven's Gate".
  3. Excellent article, thanks
  4. No, I agree. I am quite rude to assume that Emma did not need meet JS needs. I only judge JS by his actions. He married may women, some of teenage years. Who am I to judge his libido? JS seduced, married, sealed a number of women. Apprently some of these women he put under the threat, that God himself was watching over their actions. If I was a believer, and under God's threat. I do believe I would have submitted. wouldn't you? Between the choice of submitting to God¨s will, or choosing a logical alternative, I do thinkI would have chosen to submit. What would you have done?
  5. Really? Then why do married men seek out the services of "women of the night"? Why did Joseph Smith find additional women to satisfy his libido while he was married to Emma? I don't think that there is a "one size fits all" answer to libido. JS married women, and young girls, young teenage girls, young girls of 14 years of age, while he was married to Emma. Does that mean that his libido was satisfied through his marriage to Emma? It would appear not. I agree that sex is a human need. I don't agree that people in authourity can use their position to meet their needs. In fact, I think that people that use their authourity to "force" young victims to submit to sexual pressures are the scum of the earth.
  6. Since you quoted me I will respond to your above questions. I don't think 18 year olds should be allowed to join the military. In my country, 16 year olds cannot drive. They must wait until 18 and even so those between 18 and 25 are the highest risk group. (and their insurance reflects that) As far as men with high libidos struggling to keep their passions under control during their teen years, how does that change by just getting married? And besides I think it is a lousy excuse to get married. A recipe for disaster, in my opinion
  7. I attended a temple wedding, more than 50 years ago, of a relative, he a day over 19, she barely 18. Not only did they receive the blessing of their respective parents, but the church authorities as well. The marriage collapsed 10 years later. Nowadays, that couple would have received the advice to wait, "what's the hurry?". I have another relative that waited until they were in their late twenties. A much better situation for success, not a guarantee of course, but better than getting married in their teens.
  8. A good question......if we were on a FLDS site. Or if the church decided to re-invest in polygamy. The church will say nothing (other than talks in conference, which actually skirts the issue) about how dating should not even be considered until after 16-17 years of age. Anything other than that wold be biting itself in the tail and renew discussions about the appropriateness of Joseph Smith taking a 14 year old as wife. I agree with the comment of being "unequally yoked" should there be a great disparity between ages of those wed.
  9. I'd certainly be more happy if government didn't interfere in the bedroom. Actually, when I think of it, I'd be happier if the church didn't get involved in the bedroom.
  10. Whaaaa? "IF Joseph had been doing this to take advantage and to satiate his lust, eventually he would've slipped up and his sexual perversion would've been put on display. I instead see a man very much in control of himself, and focused on building the church, and seeing it prosper. Almost impossible if he had been a sexual deviant." SO, Joseph was never exposed, therefore he cannot have been a "sexual deviant" (your words). This sort of implies that bad men get caught for doing bad things. Uh........No! Joseph was good (for the most part) at keeping his polygamy secret. That doesn't mean that he was telling the truth when he claimed that he only had one wife. It only means that he was good at keeping his accumulation of wives, both teenage, and already married women, secret.
  11. I don't really understand the why or how of the conclusion by yourself and others here that "sealed but not consummated" somehow applies to Joseph and his wedding a 14 year old. I can understand that people don't "want" it to be true that Joseph had sex with a 14 year old. I can understand making up excuses as to why Joseph would not have had sex with a 14 year old. But there is no "evidence" that he didn't, equally as true that no "evidence" to show that he did. But Joseph already had a whole gaggle of wives at the time , who Emma did not know about or approve of. And he continued gathering wives right up to the time of his death. WHY? If not to "consummate"?
  12. One can marry and never have sex---One can have sex and never marry. I fail to see how those two statements have anything to do with the topic at hand. Evidence that Joseph Smith had sex with any 14 year old??? Do you mean, "ratum sed non consummatum"? Just what kind of evidence is there of anyone having sex with another person unless there are witnesses (yuch) or a resulting pregnancy. I don't know about you, but my marriages vows did not include that I had to provide evidence that my wife and I had "consummated" our marriage. And god commanded him to marry her because..........?
  13. OK, I'm all in. I will express my opinion despite that I've never married a 14 year old, I've never had sex with a 14 year old, and have never had fanatasies about any sexual activity with a fourteen year old. Does that disqualify me? I have 2 daughters that a time in their lives were fourteen years old. I have a step daughter who has been fourteen. I have 6 granddaughters who have been or will be fourteen. I think that qualifies to at least have an opinion. In no way would I find it appropriate for any of the small children I have had responisbility for, to enter into marriage at the age of fourteen. It would not be appropriate regardless the age of their proposed partner, whether that be 14, 40, or 70 years of age. If I was approached by someone, asking for the child in my charge to marry them, regardless of the males age, 14, 15, 16, 20, 22, 26, 30, 36, 38, 45, or 64, my answer would be the same. To anyone 15 or younger, "Get out of my house." To anyone 16 or older, "I need your vital statistics because I am now calling the police." And would expect the police to begin investigations into statutory rape. Is that "presentism"? It probably is. But I defy anyone to give any valid reasoning into how a present living being can avoid being "presentist". Do I have an opinion about parents giving consent to their 14 year old getting married? You bet I do. Such parents should be jailed for failing in the proper care and parenting of their child. If the parents have in any way previous knowledge or may have even given consent to their 14 year old to engage in sexual activities, they should be investigated by social services regarding their fitness as parents. Oops, still being presentist.
  14. And your point IS?
  15. Yeah, I already understood from your very first post that you found D&C 132 as the scripture reference to polygamy. But that's all you've got? Nothing else? What about the references in the Book of Mormon that clearly say that polygamy is not permitted. Do I need to list them here for you? But didn't 132 come many years after Joseph had already started engaging in polygamous relationships? You know the answer to that is yes. You don't find the "If she doesn't agree, then you (JS) are exempt" as rather "convenient"? But the CFR still stands. Provide scriptures that support modern polygamy. And you are well aware that 132 was even officially denied by JS after its implementation.