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  1. teddyaware

    The Latter-day Saint view of God

    With regard to God still having to deal with opposition, I find it very interesting that of the few times in the scriptures when humans were allowed to peer into heaven to see what goes on there we see accounts of God and angels weeping because of wickedness prior to the flood (Book of Moses), a war in heaven and its aftermath, when God and angels bitterly weep because the son of the morning and his followers were cast out (Book of Revelation), God sending devastating plagues, fire and destructions to the earth because of wickedness (Book of Revelation), and Isaiah sitting in on a council in heaven when the destruction of Jerusalem is decreed (Isaiah and 1 Nephi). Sure doesn’t sound like Disney Land to me.
  2. teddyaware

    The Latter-day Saint view of God

    Of course God faces opposition. That’s what the war in heaven was all about. And because God is filled with perfect love the rebellion and banishment of 1/3 of His children caused him to weep many bitter tears. That same kind of opposition is what caused Him to again cry an ocean of heartbroken tears when, in the presence of Enoch, He so profoundly mourned the wickedness of His earthly children prior to the flood. If you remember, Enoch truly marveled when he witnessed the eternal God of heaven lament and weep in such a human way, shedding tears like the rains of heaven. Enoch seemed to think that because God is from all eternity to all eternity He should have learned by then to not take things so personally. And God’s tears of endless love and devotion stand in stark contrast to Satan’s sadistic glee when the children of men rebel against heaven. And remember how the eternal Jehovah demonstrated both in Gethsemane, when He began to shrink from His Father’s will, and again on Calvary’s cross, when in fear he felt He’d been forsaken of God, that even God Himself can be put in such dire circumstances that even He truly feels He’s at the end of His rope. But there also may be something you haven’t considered. Within the framework of eternal opposition in all things, there will always be those on the dark side of the divide who will rise to great spiritual heights but then fall from grace into perdition; and happily, there will also always be those found on the bright side of the divide who, after rising rto great spiritual heights, never fall but remain magnificently firm, steadfast and true for all eternity. Such is the nature of opposition in all things. And know this, Lehi assures us that as long as things continue to exist there will always be opposition in all things. And that also means as long as things continue to exist we can be fully assured the perfect God of truth and love is reigning in heaven. The only time we will be justified in losing hope is when all things vanish away and cease to exist. For it’s then that we can be sure there is no God. But then we would no longer exist, so how could we know.
  3. teddyaware

    The Latter-day Saint view of God

    In what I believe is one of the great philosophical chapters in all of scripture, 2 Nephi 2, the prophet Lehi affirms existence can only be predicated and sustained upon the immutable law that affirms the absolute necessity of there being diametric opposition in all things in order for anything at all to exist. This means that if ye could hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye, and then continue onward and with that same speed fly (either forever backward or forever forward into time and space) you would never, for all eternity, arrive at a place where the unchangeable, everlasting law of opposition in all things was not in effect. This is why Lehi describes the forever past and forever future of eternity as being one eternal round, rather that something with a clearly defined beginning, with nothing at all existing prior to that beginning. Within Lehi’s one eternal round of existence, without beginning of days nor end of years, the most important thing that exists on the loving, positive, creative side of the framework of opposition in all things is the God of truth and glory; and the leading figure on the hateful, negative, destructive opposite end of the same framework is the leader of the sons of perdition. Lehi goes on to say because all things can only exist by the principle of opposition of all things, there always had to be a God and there never was a time when there was no God. So the Latter-Day Saints agree with our Catholic and Protestant friends that there never was a time when God — the omniscient, omnipotent, redeeming ruler of all things — didn’t exist, and that the throne of God had no beginning and will have no end. And if all of this has been going on forever, in one eternal round, it will be useless to try to find the supposed supreme God who is the first and foremost of all other Gods. There never was a time when there was no God presiding over existence. And so we read... 11 For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, my firstborn in the wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility. 12 Wherefore, it must needs have been created for a thing of naught; wherefore there would have been no purpose in the end of its creation. Wherefore, this thing must needs destroy the wisdom of God and his eternal purposes, and also the power, and the mercy, and the justice of God. 13 And if ye shall say there is no law, ye shall also say there is no sin. If ye shall say there is no sin, ye shall also say there is no righteousness. And if there be no righteousness there be no happiness. And if there be no righteousness nor happiness there be no punishment nor misery. And if these things are not there is no God. And if there is no God we are not, neither the earth; for there could have been no creation of things, neither to act nor to be acted upon; wherefore, all things must have vanished away. 2 Nephi 2
  4. teddyaware

    Alma 20:17-18 and Salvation for the Dead

    I edited my comment to reflect the fact that we’re talking primarily about Ammon, not Alma.
  5. teddyaware

    Alma 20:17-18 and Salvation for the Dead

    When the all facts are brought to the table, the explanation is simple and reasonable. 1) First, Ammon’s words of dire warning to the king must be understood in the context of someone trying to prevent a rash act of murderous violence against a beloved brother in the faith. Ammon’s warning was obviously far less an attempt to teach the King some of the principles of the plan of salvation than it was an emergency effort to strike sufficient fear into the heart of the king to cause him to stop, think, and then back down from his bloody intentions.. 2) I find it remarkable that in almost the very same breath Ammon immediately mitigates the apparent unavoidability of his previous warning of eternal damnation with the words that “perhaps” the king might lose his soul. Considering the present emotion charged situation he was in, one wonders why Ammon would have had the presence of mind to immediately qualify the seeming inevitably of his previous threat, that eternal damnation would be so, with the assertion that it only might be so? Here’s the reason: It’s because Ammon wanted his words to comport with the truth. You see, in his heart Ammon already knew that although it was an extremely difficult thing to bring to pass that it actually WAS POSSIBLE for someone who was not also blaspheming against the Holy Ghost to obtain forgiveness for murder. Ammon’s close friend and brother in the Lord, Alma, explains the Nephite belief on the subject. 6 For behold, if ye deny the Holy Ghost when it once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny it, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness. Alma 39 So Ammon very likely DID KNOW it was possible that the king might ultimately been forgiven for the murder of his son, and that’s why heimmediately amended his previous apparent warning of unavoidable eternal damnation with the assertion that that the king only MIGHT be damned to hell forever
  6. teddyaware

    Rumors of Changes to Temple Worship

    This gets to the crux of the matter. From what I understand, today’s pervasive feminist culture has even made its way into the Church, especially among the younger college educated members. And I’ve read it’s for this reason that many female members were attending the temple merely out of a sense of duty, but all the while they were quietly feeling annoyed and even bitter about it because,, at least in their minds, they perceived they were being treated like subjected second class citizens in the kingdom of God. So the leaders of the Church were inspired to find a way to make the feminist influenced sisters, who are still largely valiant, feel better about how God viewes them without discarding the absolutely essential elements of the endowment. I believe that in some future day, when the saints are less carnally minded and less influenced by the wisdom of Babylon, the Lord will restore much, if not all, of that which has been taken away from the endowment. The problem is that, at least for the time being, the leaders had to find a way to make the endowment a less trying and negative experience for many of the current and future temple attendees without having to resort to what what would appear to be virtually forcing harder to digest sacred things down the throats of those who are not spiritually prepared to receive them. In accordance to the law of diminishing returns, the previous order was inflicting more harm than good because sacred things can be very destructive if not handled and disseminated with great care. This very real and sacred verity is explained many times throughout the scriptures. And if it’s any comfort to the stalwarts, this is precisely what happened when the practice of polygamy and the pre-1990 endowment were withdrawn. And can any of the disappointed stalwarts not admit to themselves that by hiding these sacred things the Church has been able to move forward much more dynamically throughout the world? If the proper degree of care is not employed, the dogged maintenance of sacred things, when it is not wise and prudent to do so, could virtually stop the progress of the kingdom of God. Sacred things have to be handled with great delicacy and wisdom. The old line stalwarts who bristle at the changes need to understand what’s going on and just move on in the knowledge that the prophecies are going to be fulfilled.
  7. teddyaware

    Rumors of Changes to Temple Worship

    Again, there’s a way to reconcile your quote from the teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith with the current presentation of the endowment, and this is it: The Lord may have inspired His servants to truncate and modify the presentation of the endowment to be commensurate with the general degree of righteousness, spiritual preparedness and receptivity of today’s saints. It could be that because of the pervasive pernicious influence of feminism on a significant number of the current members of the Church, and the sad trend of more and more members finding it easy to speak negatively of the Church and its leaders, some of the more meaty components of the endowment had to be withdrawn from view, while leaving enough intact to be still be viable and edifying for the participants and acceptable to the Lord. What else is the Lord supposed to do when the Church at large is no longer prepared to receive the deeper and more difficult to digest meat of the gospel without incessant carping and griping issuing forth from the lips of too many? The joyful reaction to the new endowment by not a few of the feminist-oriented Church members, at least partially, validates the above possibility. I say this because much of the LDS feminist clamoring for change is likely a modern-day example of how, as the Nephite prophet Jacob warned, the Lord’s people are too often prone to “look beyond the mark,” hoping for changes that they think will be good for the Church, but in reality will only turn out to be counterproductive. Jacob testified there were many in the Holy Land, where his family once dwelt, who obsessively looked beyond the mark and were finally rewarded by the Lord with revelations of confusion and perplexity that confounded them. Could it be the same with us today? For now some are left in confusion as to whether or not the righteous and worthy man is still supposed to be the head of the wife, in the same way the husband is expected to be in subjection to the Lord who is the head of every man. Like the old saying goes, “better watch what you hope for.” But I must say that in spite of everything I’ve said, I also believe the changes are of the Lord, and that those who remain unshaken and steadfast in their testimonies of the prophesied ultimate triumph of the Church will not be adversely affected by the fact that the Lord has inspired the leaders of the Church to begin to withhold sacred things from an increasingly wicked world. If I were you, I’d calm down and be at peace in the realization that the God of wisdom is still at the helm, and that He knows how to win. And also know this, the fullness of the endowment, as it is known and understood in heaven, has not and will not ever change. It’s not the Lord’s fault when his people begin to choke and gag on the meatier doctrines of His kingdom. What else can He reasonably be expected do than to begin to withhold sacred things that the unenlightened would otherwise esteem as dross that should be trampled underfoot?
  8. teddyaware

    Rumors of Changes to Temple Worship

    I agree with you. My point is it should come as no surprise to anyone that a Church that now has so many members who constantly complain and speak negatively of the Lord’s anointed should end up receiving the lesser portion of the word of God.
  9. teddyaware

    Rumors of Changes to Temple Worship

    The first time I participated in the significantly altered temple endowment ceremony of the late 1980s and 1990 I was very disappointed with the changes that had been made. After going through two endowment sessions with the new ceremony, I went downstairs and asked someone in the Temple administrative office if it was possible to have an unscheduled meeting with the Temple President. Soon thereafter the then Washington DC Temple President (I don’t remember his name) graciously greeted me and asked me to step inside his office so that we could talk. After introductions, I expressed my deep disappointment with the changes to the endowment that had been made, informing him that because I had previously been enabled to spiritually discern the profound spiritual meaning underlying the portions of the endowment that had been been removed, I felt a very real sense of sadness that some of the more wonderfully meaningful portions of the endowment had been deleted. He expressed his great surprise at my comment, informing me that of the hundreds of positive comments from others who were abslolutely delighted with the changes, I was the only one who had anything negative to say. I went on to explain it seemed obvious to me the reason why the deleted portions had been removed is because it was likely the Church at large was no longer knowledgeable and spiritually mature enough to enjoy participating in the more meaningful and impactful temple endowment I had previously come to know and love. Further, I thought it odd that so many members of the Church were thrilled with the deletions because it seemed rather odd that for some strange reason they wanted less sacred symbolism in the endowment rather than more. Anyway, you likely see where I’m going with this: It seems clear that the endowment has once again been truncated, at least in part, because a world that is so rapidly ripening in iniquity is no longer prepared and able to receive a fuller manifestation of the sacred truths once revealed in the fuller endowment presentations of the past. Rather than the previous iterations of the endowment being in error, the truth is we are no longer prepared and able to receive the fuller and deeper knowledge revealed through the endowments of the past. So in accord with the prophet Alma’s dictum that there are times when circumstances demand that sacred things have to be withdrawn from view, once again sacred things have been wisely withdrawn until the day when we as a people stop fighting and reviling against the truth of God and learn to appreciate and delight in the harder to digest meat of the gospel, even the mysteries of godliness. 9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart, only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him. 10 And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full... Alma 12:9-10
  10. If Talmage and McConkie are correct, then while Christ was on the cross for the last three hours of His life, in addition to having to suffer the infinite spiritual pains and agonies of Gethsemane once again, while in a terribly weakened condition He also had to simultaneously endure the painful lingering aftermath of his horrific scourging, the physical tortures attendant to being crucified, and the emotional agonies of also being mocked and tormented by His hateful enemies, all the while having to maintain an attitude of perfect love and mercy. Personally, I agree with Apostle Jeffery R Holland who in his General Conference address “None Were With Him” testified that the moment when Christ descended to the very depths of His infinite and eternal sufferings is when He, in superhuman agony, cried out, “my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me!” Bruce R McConkie... Then the cross was raised that all might see and gape and curse and deride. This they did, with evil venom, for three hours from 9:00 A.M. to noon. Then the heavens grew black. Darkness covered the land for the space of three hours, as it did among the Nephites. There was a mighty storm, as though the very God of Nature was in agony. And truly he was, for while he was hanging on the cross for another three hours, from noon to 3:00 P.M., all the infinite agonies and merciless pains of Gethsemane recurred.
  11. teddyaware

    Mary, the Mother of Christ

    What you apparently fail to realize is the Bible teaches us that God can remain God but still go through phases of existence where His godhood is hidden and not apparent. For example, how do you think the 2 year-old God, Jesus Christ, compares in spiritual wisdom, knowledge, power and capability to the now resurrected Christ who stands glorified in heaven at the right hand of God? The question you need to answer is how Jesus of Nazareth could fully be God on the day his second birthday when He had not yet grown sufficiently in wisdom knowledge and stature to be able to accomplish all the things he was expected to accomplish as God, including the infinite atoning sacrifice to atone for our sins? How can the already perfect God be made perfect through experiencing suffering if He’s already perfect in every way? “For it became him for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.” Hebrews 2:10
  12. As I write, like it or not, we are all living on a planet (yes, a PLANET!) in the midst of the sidereal universe; a physical world that, believe it or not, is presided over by God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Who can deny that we all now exist on a great sphere in space where a critically important phase of the work of salvation and eternal progression for God’s spirit children has continued uninterrupted for thousands of years? Yet, in spite of the fact that this planet is, according to God’s own testimony, just one of an infinite number of other such planets where the work of immortality and eternal life continues for all eternity, for some reason there seem to be some members of the Church who appear to be embarrassed by the fact that those who inherit the fulness of eternal glory will also preside over other similar planets where the work of immortality and eternal life will continue. If presiding over a planet isn’t embarrassing for God and Christ, why should we be embarrassed to follow in their footsteps and do the same? Since God Himself has chosen planets to be the places where His spirit children are commanded to ‘work out their salvation with fear and trembling,’ why should anyone demean such sacred planetary realms by likening them to a “cartoon” fantasy?
  13. At least insofar as the Book of Mormon is concerned, it appears the Bible started out as a pure and uncorrupted revelation from God to man. But not long after it was given to the Church wicked, designing men, who apparently found much of the Bible’s original content to be offensive to their religious notions and sensibilities, expunged whole portions of the original text that they found to be especially offensive. According to the prophet Nephi, as it turned out, the portions of the Bible that were deleted happened to contain much of the most sacred and important Covenants and doctrines of the gospel of Christ. 24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me: Thou hast beheld that the book proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record; and they bear record according to the truth which is in the Lamb of God. 25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God. 26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away. 27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men. 28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God. 29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest--because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God--because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them. 1 Nephi 13
  14. At the risk of appearing arrogant, I don’t find either of these two issues mysteries. 1. Since the Father’s plan of salvation calls for each of His spirit children to leave the safety of His immediate presence and enter a fallen state where there is a good chance they will be called upon to suffer the most extreme physical, emotional and spiritual suffering that mortals can endure, and this that they might be refined and purified in order to be truly grateful for and able to fully appreciate the blessings of salvation, it was expedient that He not only be one who knows perfectly how to talk the talk of the plan of salvation, but also how to perfectly walk the walk concerning the extremely difficult challenges of mortality. And in consideration of the fact that He is the eternal God who possesses all power in heaven and earth, it was expedient that He be called upon to suffer far beyond the sufferings that weak, fallen mortals are capable of enduring. 2. According to Lehi’s discourse in 2 Nephi 2, there was and could be no first cause because only nothing and nothingness can come from nothing. Nothing is unable to do anything at all. Lehi testifies that in order for all things to exist and consist there must be a framework of eternal opposition in all things, such as God and the son of perdition being in polar opposition to each other, otherwise nothing would exist an there would be nothing but nothingness, and nothing has no will to be a first cause. So a being — or beings — whom we call God had to exist from all eternity to eternity in a course of one eternal round in which there is no beginning nor end.
  15. I would appreciate it if you could list two or three of the sacred mysteries of which you speak?
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