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  1. Apostasy and restoration

    Yes, there are many similarities, some of them uncanny, especially if you compare LDS temple rituals with Coptic, Eastern Orthodox and pre-Vatican II rites, which, to answer your question, should give you a hint about what I think of the Novus Ordo Liturgy. Henry VIII stripped the altars in England and Vatican II stripped them everywhere else. Pope Benedict’s issuance of his letter ‘Summorum Pontificum’ was therefore a great day for the Latin Rite churches.
  2. Apostasy and restoration

    When you mention what Stendhal said regarding the need for temples and the Restoration, I would hope your talk will include some mention that temples and temple theology are also part of the Catholic tradition, Liturgy and church buildings, to include such ancient temple elements as divinization (theosis), the Holy of Holies, bread and wine, anointing with oil, sacred clothing (vestments), the seven branched candlestick, the veil, and incense. Protestantism has mostly forgotten the temple-centric worship of the Catholicism they sought to reform, eliminating most of the temple elements I mentioned in the process.
  3. God is real and the Church is True

    For what it’s worth, I was a missionary in the mid-80s and conducted a few baptismal interviews. I also had to ask about masturbation and whether female investigators had had an abortion.
  4. Using the scientific method to recognize the spirit

    The first step is to recognize and accept that your own spiritual experiences have nothing to do whatsoever with the content of others’ spiritual experiences. You can never know what others have truly experienced without experiencing their experiences as they’re experienced. Which is impossible. Without that, your thoughts on what they experienced are merely a guess. Telling others they didn’t really experience what they think they experienced based on a guess is hubris. It’s also insulting, no matter how well intentioned. So, if someone says that God did not answer their sincere prayer, you have to accept it and not try to explain their experience away.
  5. Here’s what really happened. After reading the Book of Mormon, I prayed to ask God if it was true. But - I wasn’t truly sincere. I lacked faith in Christ. I didn’t really want an answer, because that would bring responsibility I wasn’t willing to accept. I was born into the church and raised in Utah, surrounded by Mormons. It’s easier for converts to detect the spirit. I secretly wanted to drink coffee and beer or look at porn. I had committed a sin that I never went to the bishop to clear up. My parents didn’t teach me properly and created false expectations. I did receive a witness, but didn’t recognize it. See what I did there? All of the above are things people have said to me to explain away my experience after I tell them I never received that witness of the Book of Mormon’s truthfulness. I appreciate your good intentions, but my experience is my experience and no one knows it like I do.
  6. I’m still waiting for you to tell me precisely how many of the 266 popes were bad men. You never did answer that question.
  7. You need another category. I’m formerly LDS, met all five of your prerequisites, but never received the expected confirmatory spiritual witness. I don’t believe Nephites existed.
  8. Happy Pancake Day!

    Speaking of meatless Lents, St. Basil of Caesaria (4th c) described what we’re really supposed to give up: "Beware of limiting the good of fasting to mere abstinence from meats. Real fasting is alienation from evil. ‘Loose the bands of wickedness.’ Forgive your neighbor the mischief he has done you. Forgive him his trespasses against you. Do not ‘fast for strife and debate.’ You do not devour flesh, but you devour your brother. You abstain from wine, but you indulge in outrages. You wait for evening before you take food, but you spend the day in the law courts. Woe to those who are ‘drunken, but not with wine.’ Anger is the intoxication of the soul, and makes it out of its wits like wine." ~ St. Basil the Great
  9. Happy Pancake Day!

    In the Orthodox tradition, Lent always starts on a Monday, called Clean Monday. This year it falls on Feb 19. What’s given up is the same every year - anything that doesn’t align with a vegan diet. So, no meat, dairy, fish, or eggs until Pascha (Easter Sunday), April 8. A meatless Lent used to be universal, but this is now rare in the West, typically practiced by only the most traditional Christians. To those who will be fasting this Lent, as the Orthodox say, may you have an easy fast!
  10. 'fess up – who keeps & uses face cards?

    I grew up in the '70s in a super orthodox LDS family. Anything a prophet said over the pulpit without exception was interpreted as God's command. When I was little, there was Dr Pepper to drink and we would watch tv or play with friends on Sunday. Then we didn't. The prophet had spoken. The change in my home was in the early '70s. Face cards were always verboten in my memory.
  11. I was 13 and a deacon in a ward West of I-15 in the Salt Lake Valley. I was sitting with the other deacons up front. The bishop announced and read OD 2 over the pulpit. I was sitting next to his son, who said "I'm not passing the sacrament with a [n-word]!" I was kind of shocked, but not as much as I should have been. Racist folklore that used to be doctrine (curse of Cain, African people were less valiant in the present-earth life and descended from Cain through Ham) was taught to us at home, in Sunday School and deacon's quorum. Brazil nuts were called '[n-word] toes' and 'ding dong ditch' was called '[n-word] knocking.' That's all I remember about the announcement.
  12. The Crusades

    If you can hardly find a decent one among them, then you must have reviewed the historical details of each of the 266 popes, else how could you possibly draw that conclusion? Have you done this? You keep saying 'They' have done this. It's very vague. How many of the 266 are you talking about and what were their names? Of course, there were some bad popes, but it doesn't sound like you can identify the number or proportion of them, let alone their names. So lets at least start with the data we know you have. How many specific popes are you talking about in your examples of bad behavior? Can you provide a specific number?
  13. The Crusades

    What you're doing here is treating all 266 popes as if they were a single amorphous Pope-being, collecting, combining and ascribing the bad behavior of the worst popes to the Pope-being and assigning the collective evil of this imaginary being to each of the 266 individual popes, who were not imaginary, like the abstract idea of 'Pope' you have in your mind. Each pope is a living, unique human being, an individual. Your approach not only makes for a bad history lesson, it's also unjust. You keep saying 'the Pope did this and the Pope did that', without specifying which of the 266 popes you're talking about. Set aside your abstract and artificial Pope-being construct and please tell us something a bit more concrete and useful: of all 266 popes, what percentage were baddies and what was the name of each?
  14. 1829-32 Doctrine of the Nature of God

    Well, clearly, whoever doesn't agree with MY interpretation or the interpretation of MY favorite exegetes is obviously not led by the Holy Spirit.
  15. 1829-32 Doctrine of the Nature of God

    Is that you in the photo?? I'll give it a read, as well as the Schmanko article you linked earlier. I scanned that one but need to spend some time with it.