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  1. Unfortunately the New York Times decided to criticize him for not being nice enough to LGBTQ people (in their opinion) and not giving women the priesthood instead of focusing on the countless good things he did. Of course they also lionized Fidel Castro and Hugh Hefner....
  2. Has anyone read the various essays being posted on Deseret news regarding the LDS views of grace? If not here's the most intriguing one to me: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865694194/Op-ed-The-Mormon-restoration-and-the-meaning-of-grace.html basically the author argues that the LDS view of grace is much closer to the ancient first century idea of grace (or charis) than that of the reformers, and some quarters in the LDS ironically are starting to go closer to that understanding while biblical scholarship in general is going more towards the LDS view (such as the new perspective on Paul).
  3. Depends on who you talk to. The Pentecostal/Charismatic branch of Christianity believes heavily in prophecy and prophets. Of course you also have to consider they don't have the exact same criteria as us in regards to what it means to be a prophet. I'm not saying I think they are prophets however. If you get a moment look up the New Apostolic Reformation. They're an odd, scary bunch.
  4. The great apostasy

    Out of curiosity what made you go a bit further East?
  5. The great apostasy

    I thought it was the Bosporus you crossed?
  6. The great apostasy

    Very good point, I never understood why Protestants such as Snowflake act all offended when we talk about an apostasy when Evangelicals accuse Orthodoxy and Catholicism of being false faiths even though they have been around much longer than Evangelicals have. Furthermore the pillars of their faith (Sola Scriptua and Sola Fide) were developed by Martin Luther and John Calvin. Snowflake can put us down by saying how dumb we are for believing in Joseph Smith and an apostasy but really many Protestants also believe the church went off the rails after the New Testament until Martin Luther showed up. Very hypocritical really....
  7. Understanding Adam-God

    Thanks for the response. Do you believe Adam is God the Father? Or that Elohim is distinct from Adam? Not arguing just curious as you stated you still believe it.
  8. Understanding Adam-God

    They should, as it's definitely a difficult topic.
  9. Understanding Adam-God

    Was Brigham saying that Adam was in fact God the Father? That Heavenly Father in the scriptures is really Adam? That's the part I'm trying to figure out what he's getting at. Because my concern is that in Brigham Young's mind there wasn't really a God the Father, only Adam.
  10. Understanding Adam-God

    So I'm sure this has been addressed before but I was wondering how believing Latter Day Saints on this board who have studied some of the more controversial things Brigham Young has said (particularly regarding Adam) have been able to understand where the heck he was coming from.
  11. D&C section 2

    You can make rude and snide comments about LDS teenagers all you want, (which continues to give us insight into your true motivations for posting here). The fact of the matter is this is more than just a novel interpretation Joseph made up on the fly. It is based off of experiences both he and Oliver Cowdery had with John the Baptist and Peter James and John in answer to prayer and a desire to know how to be obedient and faithful to God's will, as recorded in Joseph Smith history.
  12. D&C section 2

    This is a good point. From the very beginning of the ancient Christian church there were bishops, deacons, presbyters etc. In fact I believe new Catholic priests are ordained by the laying on of hands and Melchizedek is mentioned but I will need to study this more. Furthermore as any Catholic apologist could tell you the ancient church had a priesthood hierarchy. The burden of proof is on Evangelicals to prove that the early Church was without a priesthood or church hierarchy and was a priesthood of believers (as Luther argued). As the Cardinal John Henry Newman said to go back in history is to cease to be Protestant.
  13. Two treats from the Maxwell Institute

    Thanks, listening right now and am enjoying it highly!
  14. 500

    I can respect their questioning, longing, and desires to know the truth. I can't say I agree with the outcome. I don't know how much you read from an Eastern Orthodox Christian perspective but there's a blog called "Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy" that has been doing a series of commentaries this month on the pros and cons of the Reformation. I enjoyed it and found that it mirrors my own thoughts on it. Here's the link: https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxyandheterodoxy/
  15. Why argue the bible is infallible?

    Though I admire that Bluebell is trying to create a dialogue, I think we all have to accept that we aren't going to agree (or in some cases even agree to disagree) and this in turn will always lead to a level of contention that will perhaps only be solved when Christ sorts everything out in the end. I know that as an active Latter Day Saint I believe the Bible and have found immense joy from reading it and living it. I recall one of the most spiritual times in my life was when I was on my mission in Iowa and was living in the town of Belle Plain. I was reading the Four Gospels and the Book of Mormon intensely. What came of that is a deep love for the Savior. As Mfbukowski said much better than myself many LDS on this board have sincerely read and prayed and called on the Father and Son for mercy and believe he has answered. When a fundamentalist of any stripe comes on this board (or in real life) and demeans that experience it only alienates and causes us to disregard the critic. That's the heart of the matter, and why these discussions are ultimately fruitless most of the time. Call me a pessimist but I've seen and been through enough of these discussions that I have my doubts about their efficacy.