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  1. boblloyd91

    Reorganization of the Melchizedek Priesthood

    It's not just your ward.....
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    My New Mormonism

    Thanks for the thoughtful post Meerkat. There are several people that attend my ward who wear jeans and they aren’t looked down on by anyone.
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    My New Mormonism

    Hi Rory, I just wanted to let you know that in spite of any differences you have with us as LDS I always enjoy hearing what you have to say and always add meaningful layers to any discussion we have. You strike me as a very kind person. Anyways to respond to your OP, I think it’s important to remember that those who post here and on other discussion boards in my opinion don’t really reflect the mainstream church. I am involved in several Facebook groups that are LDS. One is called “Millenial Mormonism” where millennials such as myself discuss the faith. I find that it’s there, with the rising generation so to speak, that one will most likely find attitudes similar to your concept of New Mormonism. Call it increased interaction with secularism, more exposure to information, or just a new generation trying to figure things out but that’s my observation. I know plenty of people still that would fit criteria for what you were used to in the past.
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    Working Out Our Salvation

    Have you ever read any George Macdonald? Unfortunately he’s mostly known for being one of the major influences on C.S. Lewis but he’s written some interesting fiction and nonfiction about the nature of God in a beautiful way. I’d recommend for your reading pleasure his book Lilith. You could probably get a free copy electronically if you have a Kindle.
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    Working Out Our Salvation

    It’s interesting to examine the debate between Penal Substitution and Christus Victor theories of Atonement. I find whichever one the individual adheres to determines how you interpret biblical passages of mercy and judgment.
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    Does Baptism Make You a Christian?

    Romans 6 is a great text on this question. Also see Acts 2:38, Ephesians 4:5, and John 3:5. If one looks at LDS scripture read 2 Nephi 31, as well as Mosiah 18. Of course without faith and the Holy Ghost baptism is meaningless, however I don’t see where it’s optional either. Interestingly one of my favorite blogs recently posted a good discussion on February 10th regarding Reformed arguments against water baptism http://scripturalmormonism.blogspot.com/search?q=Water+baptism&m=1
  7. To answer the OP I would say by far the group I saw baptized the most on my mission in Iowa were people from Mainline denominations (especially Methodists). However I also met a great deal of converts from more a intensely Conservative background such as the Baptists and Pentecostals. It seems they took the Bible very seriously and wanted a greater depth of relationship with God, and found it through the LDS faith. I recall a member of the bishopric in one of our wards in Iowa found out the church they’d been faithfully attending had some major scandals going on and couldn’t feel they should attend anymore. They prayed for help in finding a church that they could attend and not much later the missionaries came to their door in what they felt was an answer to prayer. I’m personally aware of at least two other people with similar experiences one wanting help with not committing suicide and one who wanted to quit drugs and find help from God. Both times the missionaries showed up very shortly after their prayer. I realize I’m probably droning on, but I share this because it seems those who respond the most are those that really want help in my experience.
  8. Great points, and I love William James work! A few comments I’d like to point out, even though it’s not too common to hear of people leaving Mormonism for Catholicism or Orthodoxy, it is a thing (I posted a Trib article on this last spring). They joined for the exact reason you stated, feeling the authority never left. I’ve talked to a handful, and it seemed they left for historical reasons (not necessarily LDS history but reading patristics and the like). Interesting to me they still seemed pleasant people after their conversions and weren’t angry or hateful towards their former faith.
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    John 5:18 - LDS Non LDS

    It was actually Tony Perkins who said Trump had a Mulligan. A mulligan for paying for sex with a porn star after one’s wife just had a baby is quite the mulligan if I say so myself......
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    Tolstoy, Mormonism and free will

    Thanks for sharing those experiences! I was wondering if you’ve ever heard of the field of Epigenetics? It basically is coming to the conclusion that DNA isn’t destiny and our genes change over time according to our behavior, and our posterity can create further changes through what they do!
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    Tolstoy, Mormonism and free will

    I’m still deciding who I like better. I’ve read Dostoevsky more, but War and Peace is really good. I still can’t get over how beautiful The Brothers Karamazov was though. I see what you mean about Tolstoy compared to Dostoevsky though, his works seemed a bit more serene to me, in that there is a greater sense of the divine with him.
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    Tolstoy, Mormonism and free will

    I love this! Call it coincidence but I’ve been studying the book of Ecclesiastes rather intensely these past few weeks, but didn’t make that connection. I am most struck by Pierre, whose journey to finding meaning throughout the book was so beautiful yet frustrating. I think the chapters detailing Prince Andrew’s death and Pierre’s change and return from capture (particularly after meeting Karateav) are some of the most sublime passages I’ve read in literature. I have another level of appreciation now for both War and Peace as well as Ecclesiastes.
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    Tolstoy, Mormonism and free will

    Thanks! I actually have grown quite fond of Russian literature since reading “The Brothers Karanazov”. I completely agree with you though, one doesn’t read those Russian books for kicks and giggles. I also liked how Tolstoy described Napoleon, certainly didn’t mince words!
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    Tolstoy, Mormonism and free will

    I agree completely that we have different levels of agency!
  15. I’m finishing up War And Peace this week, and first off want to recommend this book. It’s a long read (started reading it last January) but it’s a work that makes you think deeply about the human condition both individually and collectively, which goes to my OP discussion. As I’m reading the second epilogue, Tolstoy seems to indicate that as human beings our free will is actually more limited then we’d like to believe, as we are subject to political, cultural, and other currents that powerfully influence our behavior. This got me thinking about the LDS concept of agency. Even though I think Tolstoy has some good points about how we are influenced by our environment, I think Tolstoy underestimates how much the acquisition of knowledge can cause us to go against what some would consider fate or destiny and act more freely for ourselves. This causes me to think part of the blessings of Grace is that we are more aware of our sins and shortcomings and can choose to be changed. So what do you all think? Are there limits to our free will? If so why? If not why not?