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William Schryver

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William Schryver last won the day on March 5 2013

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  1. I haven't posted here in ... well, so long that I really can't remember when it was. Anyway, I'm only doing so now because I'm in the midst of an uncontrollable impulse to self-promote. Yes, it happens from time to time. Not exactly sure why, but when it happens, I've decided to just go ahead and yield to it without any tortured self-examining questions. Anyway ... I've recently purchased a new digital piano (Kawai MP11) and have recorded, over the course of past few days, a couple new songs. Or rather, my interpretations of a couple quite old songs. The first is one of my all-time favorite classical pieces: Frederic Chopin - Prelude in E minor This second one is my own arrangement of one of our Sacrament songs, one composed by Brigham Young's grandson, Hugh W. Dougall: Jesus of Nazareth, Savior and King
  2. I've spent the past couple weeks working 12 hour days, 6 or 7 days out of the week, so I'm slow on the uptake and have just barely discovered this story that has apparently been making the rounds. My reaction? Well, I have actually expected for some time that a general authority or two (most likely at the level of the Seventy) would, as have many others in the Church in our day, fall into disbelief and apostasy. For that reason, I don't find that aspect of Palmer's tale particularly incredible. There is a "great division" taking place among the Saints, and I fully expect that the scope of this division does or will extend into the ranks of church leadership. Sooner or later, I expect that a general authority at some level will very publicly apostatize. Perhaps it will be this alleged member of the First Quorum of the Seventy to whom Palmer refers in his story. If not him, then someone else. There is no reason to assume the general authorities are immune to the forces of faithlessness at work in our world. After all, we need to remember that even Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, and Sidney Rigdon fell away, despite having been recipients of great witnesses of the truthfulness of the calling of Joseph Smith as a prophet of God. So, again, no one is immune from apostasy--even those who have received powerful testimonies of the truthfulness of the restored gospel. As for the suggestions that each and every member of the Quorum of the Twelve is actually a non-believer, and that they keep silent merely because they have been "bought off" or because of some other sense of obligation or perceived hold on them ... well, I consider that to be utterly ridiculous. Even so, were the entire Quorum of the Twelve to come out tomorrow and claim that Mormonism is nothing but a big lie, etc., there are others whose faith and testimony would qualify them to take the places of the fallen. Many others. In fact, this is the reality that, apparently, is lost on Palmer and his fellow apostates: the members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve are not, by any means, the only ones upon whom God has bestowed a "sure knowledge" of the divinity of the restored gospel. There are many thousands of the Saints who possess as certain a testimony of the truth as any prophet or apostle that ever lived. So, while I do not believe Palmer's story for a minute, I do know that, were the entire body of the general authorities to apostatize tomorrow, there would be enough faith remaining in the church for the Lord to fill every position vacated by the fallen.
  3. Hey, hey, hey! Midgley and Gee ahead of me? What, didn't anyone know I was available? I may not be 6' 5" anymore, but I'm still 6' 4 1/2". That's two Midgley's right there. Not sure I can still dunk anymore. But I'm pretty sure I can still touch the rim, and beat most of the BYU basketball players in best of 25 foul shooting contests, not to mention I'm still deadly from "beyond the arc." (No, not Noah's!) Man, I'm crushed ...
  4. Yeah, but I'm a real sap for dramatic turnarounds, so I just can't help myself. Ever After is one of my favorite movies.
  5. I'm going out on a limb as I also go on the record with the following prediction: A year will not pass before the Bradford Junta and the ambitious interlopers it has dredged up in its wake will have been dislodged from within the walls of the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship. In the immortal words of Jeffrey Lebowski: "This will not stand." slibwslibd
  6. Really? Wait a second ... what Church do you belong to? It must not be the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, since in that church, the living prophet does trump anything ever said by a dead one. Of course, this has always been a stumbling block for people, from the very beginning -- always talking about how good the manna was that their fathers ate ...
  7. I will always remember the first time I saw Raiders of the Lost Ark, in the fall of 1981, at the old, classic Villa Theatre on Highland Drive in Salt Lake City. It was one of the few times I saw fulfilled the old sales pitch of, "You pay for the whole seat, but all you need is the edge." Of course, it was, as everyone knows, a really great film. That said, I always found it humorous that Rene Belloq was apparently convinced that all he had to do was don the vestments of the high priest in order to open and then (presumably) assume all the powers attendant to the Ark of the Covenant. Of course, it didn't work out quite as he had planned ...
  8. I know who "Nomad" is (he actually lives closer to you than to me), and to my knowledge, he only ever used one handle in the years he posted on these boards. He retired from the message boards altogether about a year or so ago. I'm not familiar with "Ludd" beyond the fact that I'm aware he read MsJack's "hit piece" ... er ... "scholarly exposé," and came away unimpressed--and for that grievous sin he was accused of being my sock puppet. Quite ironic, that. But not nearly as ironic as the fact that the people at MDB have spent much of the past month waxing "morally outraged" about "scholarly exposés" ... er ... "hit pieces."
  9. I don't dispute that, for the most part. I agree that the concept of theosis is frequently discussed. My qualification arises from the fact that I have no recollection of anyone ever talking in church about the idea that God was a mortal man like us, mainly because I don't think we know much about it, beyond Joseph Smith's somewhat vague reference to the concept. I agree that he said that, but I don't agree that its meaning is all that clear, and, to my knowledge, he never elaborated on the concept. Was God the Father once "as we are now" in the sense that he lived a mortal life like Jesus did, or in the sense that he lived a mortal life like you and I have--was born into an average suburban family where the parents got divorced when he was young, got married young himself, was compelled to work a job he didn't much like, sometimes fought with his wife, sometimes yelled at his kids, and even, as a teenager, drove his Chevy to the levy and drank whiskey and rye? I believe it was the latter. In fact, I want to believe it in those terms. Because otherwise I don't really know how he can understand what it's been like for us down here. Fair enough. I agree that it might have been better had he said something along the lines of what you suggest. That said, I honestly do not believe his intent was to obfuscate.
  10. What is so hard? Probably true, although we don't have conclusive evidence that he used the seer stone. The evidence won't support this conclusion.
  11. Yep. A HUGE stretch. Just like Don Bradley's Kinderhook Plates arguments -- but that's another topic for another day. Don is a good guy, and I honestly believe he means well, but it is very important for people to understand how grossly mistaken his KP thesis truly is. I actually had hoped that someone else would recognize the many flaws in his argument and take it upon themselves to write a paper explaining the reasons why. <sigh> But apparently people are so naively enamored with the argument that they simply haven't examined it critically. So I guess I'll have to do it -- hopefully before the end of the year. (The problem is that there are other, higher priorities at the moment.) Anyway, back to the topic at hand: keep in mind that we know perfectly well that the six characters Phelps included in his earlier "pure language" table don't come from any Egyptian papyri! That one simple fact right there proves that whatever these guys were doing with this Egyptian Alphabet project, they weren't attempting to translate Egyptian papyri! Anyway, I don't have time to say anything else today. I'm getting together with Royal tomorrow afternoon and I have to finish something I'm delivering to him then. Good luck with these guys, Wade. You have more patience than I do.
  12. This is not an accurate description of my thesis. But, of course, your intention wasn't to accurately represent what I have argued, was it? It's always much easier to erect and knock down a straw man than to actually engage real arguments. BTW, Wade: It is not true that none of the first 46 EA characters are Egyptian, and that none of them come from the papyri. I initially believed that, too. But it's not true. Some of them do come from JSP-I. There is a thread on this board, from about a year ago, where this topic was discussed. See if you can find it. Maybe search for "characters", "EA", "Egyptian", and "papyri", looking for posts I made. Chris Smith participated in the thread, too, iirc.
  13. Huh. That's interesting, because my impression was just the opposite: that, in fact, President Hinckley had anticipated the question and that his ultimate response was well-considered. Seriously? You are such an enigma to me, at times. First of all, I find it hard to believe that you don't recognize that Pres. Hinckley was responding to only the one aspect of the famous Lorenzo Snow couplet: the question of whether or not God was once a man like us. So, assuming that you do recognize that, I find it hard to believe that you feel his reply to the reporter was somehow less than forthright. I mean, I don't recall it ever being taught beyond recitations of the Snow couplet and the one JS statement from the KFD. I don't believe we know much about it. I haven't even heard much speculation about it over my years in the church. So, from my perspective, his answer to the reporter was an accurate reflection of the status of that "doctrine" in the church. Now, as to what he might have said in General Conference in terms of "clarifying what the doctrine is": What would you have had him say? Seriously. Unless he had received some new revelation in relation to this topic, what more could he have said? And to what end? ETA: Incidentally, I'm not sure the Lorenzo Snow couplet is an accurate reflection of what Joseph Smith taught in the KFD. Joseph Smith did NOT suggest that, "as man is, God once was." That is NOT what he said. Not at all.
  14. Kristin, Your opening post attracted my interest, and I find myself feeling quite excited for you as you have set out to read the Book of Mormon for the first time. I was born and raised in Farmington, Utah, which is just north of Salt Lake City. I grew up in a family that was nominally LDS, but not particularly involved in church activity in my youth. Despite all this, I was blessed to live in an area where our neighbors were mostly LDS and who very mindful of my family's needs, especially our spiritual needs. I was very fortunate to therefore come into contact with and be positively influenced by several good bishops and youth leaders. Consequently, as I reached my late teens, despite the fact that I had not been taught much about the church at home (nor did we read the scriptures, or watch/attend LDS general conferences), I had had enough favorable contact with the church that I could turn to it during a time of intense spiritual turmoil when I was 18-years-old. Immediately after high school, I got a job as a carpenter, and "struck out on my own." I rented an apartment in the "Avenues" district of downtown Salt Lake City -- an area that, to this day, is predominantly non-LDS, extremely liberal, and (at least when I lived there in the late 1970s) quite the "party zone." It was not hardly the kind of environment in which someone looking for spiritual meaning in his life was likely to be led in the direction of Mormonism. Even so, I awakened on the morning of Sunday, April 2, 1978 to an empty apartment reeking with the odors of empty pizza boxes and stale cigarette smoke, and strewn with overflowing ashtrays, beer cans, and all the detritus consequent to the "party" that had taken place there the previous evening. I opened my windows to air the place out, poured a fresh cup of coffee, turned on my stereo, and sat down expecting to hear the live CSN&Y album I had been listening to immediately prior to falling asleep the night before. Much to my surprise (and to this day I have no idea whatsoever how my stereo receiver could have possibly gotten tuned to AM station KSL), the voice from my speakers was not of David Crosby, Steven Stills, Graham Nash, or Neil Young ... but rather that of one of the general authorities of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Somehow, my radio had gotten tuned to the station carrying the church's annual general conference! Well, for whatever reason, I did not immediately get up from my chair and switch the stereo to the music I had expected to hear. Rather, I sat there and listened to speaker after speaker, until the conference was concluded later that afternoon. I don't recall who spoke. I don't recall what was said. The only thing I recall very distinctly was one hymn sung by the choir, entitled Lead, Kindly Light.* What I do remember above all else was how I felt as I listened to the words of the prophets and apostles who spoke that day. Their words pierced me to my very soul and left an impression upon me that I have never, ever forgotten. After the conference was concluded, I walked down to Temple Square and obtained a copy of the Book of Mormon which I began reading later than evening. I continued reading it, almost non-stop, until I finished it a couple days later, and then began reading it again. As I read, I was consumed by the same spirit that had enveloped me as I listened to the conference speakers. As I read, I was consumed by what I can only describe as a certain knowledge that it was true. Anyway, to make a long story short, from that day forward I began to change to my life. I applied to serve a mission and was called to serve in Italy. In August of 1978 I entered the missionary training center in Provo. Just a few weeks earlier, a girl from San Jose, CA who had followed a path similar to my own, had also entered the MTC to prepare for a mission to Italy. A little more than two years later, she and I were married. That was 31 years ago. In the meantime, I have (as does everyone on this earth) struggled with the various challenges of life. But, through it all, I have been strengthened by the power of God, and enlightened by His spirit. And, through it all, I have never ceased to know that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. I pray that, as you now embark on your own spiritual journey, that our heavenly Father will bless you with the knowledge of truth -- the sure knowledge of "things as they really are." * = The hymn has remained one of my favorites to this day:Lead, kindly light, amid the encircling gloom, lead thou me on. The night is dark, and I am far from home; lead thou me on. Keep thou my feet; I do not ask to see The distant scene; one step enough for me. I was not ever thus, nor prayed that thou shouldst lead me on; I loved to choose and see my path; but now, lead thou me on. I loved the garish day, and, spite of fears, Pride ruled my will. Remember not past years! So long thy power hath blest me, sure it still will lead me on. O’er moor and fen, o'er crag and torrent, 'til the night is gone. And with the morn those angel faces smile, Which I have loved long since, and lost awhile.
  15. I've been playing around on the Joseph Smith Papers website this morning. Found out I was wrong on at least two counts: 1. Egyptian Alphabet documents EA-OC and EA-WP are available online. 2. I haven't verified this in terms of the KEP yet, but the scans of the papyri appear to be 1200dpi, meaning they have performed a new set of digital scans of all of these things since I obtained my set of images in 2010 (which are 600dpi). I would hope no one will ever complain again that the Church is attempting to hide its history.