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  1. The marriage vow contained in the 1835 LDS article on marriage reads as follows: http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/review/10/2/S00006-The_Prophet_Joseph_Smith_and_His_Plural_Wives.html The vows contained in the book of common prayer (and used by Episcopalians, and probably Methodists) are almost the same, as are the words used in the Catholic ceremony (and, I suspect, the civil ceremony), so (in the absence of evidence to the contrary) it would seem that every married American man in 1843 had taken a vow not to be with another woman. That's the problem I see in understanding D&C 132:43.
  2. Thank you.
  3. Please do if you can. That might explain verse 43. Thank you.
  4. Thank you.
  5. is he here? Do you know him? Can you ask him?
  6. It seems Joseph and Emma were married by a Judge, in a civil ceremony, in South Bainbridge New York, in 1827. Is it possible to find out what words would have been used in such a ceremony, and whether Joseph would have been "under a vow" in 1843?
  7. Does anyone know the exact wording of the marriage vows taken in a civil ceremony in 19th century America? Or the wording of the vows taken by Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians of that era? I ask because, if all these ceremonies borrowed from the English book of Common Prayer, all the men who participated in them (when asked if they accepted the women standing beside them as their wives) vowed to cling to them, forsaking all others, as long as they both should live, and that gives me a real problem understanding D&C 132:43. http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132.43?lang=eng Were there any married American men who weren't "under a vow" in 1843? What kind of ceremony did Joseph and Emma take part in, and would he have been under a vow? Does anyone here know?
  8. What does D&C 132:43 mean? http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132.43?lang=eng Wouldn't every publicly married couple (before the wording of the marriage ceremony was changed) have been "under a vow" to keep themselves "wholly for each other, and from all others" during their mortal lives? http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/review/10/2/S00006-The_Prophet_Joseph_Smith_and_His_Plural_Wives.html And wouldn't that make the lawful practice of polygamy impossible, if D&C 132:43 means anything? Very confused now, please help.
  9. I've been thinking of D&C 84:2-4 in the context of verse 5 And the following question came to mind. If John the revelator, and the three Nephites are still alive, how do we know that all of those who were alive in 1832 have passed away? Is it possible that one or more of the pioneer saints were translated (and if they were, would we still be living in their generation?)
  10. Maybe it wasn't that archaic in the 19th century. From Wilford Woodruff's Journal. https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-wilford-woodruff/chapter-9?lang=eng And http://archive.org/stream/millennialstar9915eng/millennialstar9915eng_djvu.txt So maybe you were right when you said bread
  11. Does this make sense? http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2007/10/16/the-interpolation-of-a-footnote/
  12. Is this funny? http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/02/21/eating-meat/
  13. What is "Dialogue," and how do I find it? (Is it available online?) And if this is true, why is meat served at so many LDS Church functions today?
  14. Thank you. Now is this true? http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/02/21/eating-meat/ Were Lorenzo Snow and Wilford Woodruff semi vegetarians (who avoided eating meat except in dire necessity), and is that what they taught the Church?
  15. Is it true that 1 Nephi 1:19 originally read as follows (in the 1830 edition)? And it came to pass that the Jews did not mock him because of the things which he testified of them; for he truly testified of their wickedness and their abominations; and he testified that the things which he saw and heard, and also the things which he read in the Book, manifested plainly of the coming of a Messiah, and also the redemption of the world.