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  1. The time loop stuff I have trouble with originates with T1.
  2. Cyclical time is the most confusing for me. Those Terminator movies give me a real headache.
  3. The idea is that the source of the first cause is uncreated. Thus not contingent on anything. It simply is. This is how many theists answer the question of God’s origin. God is uncreated and therefore ontologically different than everything else which is created. So either there is some kind of uncreated thing that started the domino effect. Or it’s just one long line of dominos with no beginning. Even if you look at the cyclical time theory, the cycle either had a beginning or it did not. Both options are difficult to fathom.
  4. Nope. There has to be a first turtle. At least in my mind.
  5. My question is whether my theory makes sense or not. Since I can’t wrap my head around infinity backwards I am asking if it’s possible we can accept Intelligence as described in D&C as the the uncreated essence that started it all. But it seems like many of you have no problem with a backward infinite timeline.
  6. I've been thinking about another Latter-day Saint teaching that doesn't sit will with me. There's the belief that God the Father had a father. And is His father had a father. And so on forever backwards. But I'm not really sure if it is official doctrine or not. I believe its rooted in Joseph Smith's Sermon in the Grove shortly before his death. According to our other Christian friends, God is the first cause of all things being uncreated and self-existing. While that is a mind-boggling thing to think about, it makes more sense IMO than the other option of a never-ending backward timeline. I'm thinking of the theist argument of contingency. If everything is contingent on something else, there had to be some kind of first cause. And that first cause is God, or we can at least call it God. Our Christian friends argue that our perception of God isn't really God but a very intelligent and powerful extra-terrestrial or angel. This is one of the major reasons they don't like to consider us Christians. Our understanding of the very definition of God is very different from theirs. So part of me finds their view of God to be more within the realm of rationality than our view. But another part of me prefers our understanding of a corporeal God of passions that is coequal with us. Then I got thinking about D&C 93:29 which talks about Intelligence being not created or made. Is it possible that this uncreated Intelligence was the first cause? If so we can have our cake and eat it too (never understood that expression). We can have a theology with a first cause while still having an embodied God that was once a man like us. If other Christians tell us we don't believe in the same God as them, we can point to D&C 93:29. Uncreated Intelligence. That is essentially their view of God.
  7. Because it was too dark to accurately identify him at night when they arrested him?
  8. The Book of Moses tells us that there are "worlds without number" out in the cosmos. This begs the question of how these worlds relate to Christ and the Atonement. The answer that I have heard several times is that out of all the many worlds out there, our world was chosen. And the reason being that we are the most wicked. I'm sorry but I have a hard time swallowing this one. That is just way to convenient that our earth just so happened to be the one to which Christ came. But I also can't figure out how else things would work everywhere else. Would it make more sense for every other world to have its own savior? There's probably no answer for this one that can satisfy me but I thought I'd throw it out there.
  9. The translation of the Book of Mormon is to Mormonism what the Resurrection is to Christianity. The truth of Christianity hinges on Christ resurrecting. For The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it all hinges on the Book of Mormon being translated. But I am going to play Devil's Advocate here. This does not necessarily mean everything else is legit. Joseph Smith could have translated the BOM and become a fallen prophet soon after. Many of the early Saints believed this to me the case. The Book of Mormon may be true, but how do we know we are the true church rather than the offshoot and remnant groups?
  10. I would probably be a non-denominational Christian.
  11. When it comes to the overall discussion of grace vs obedience in Latter-day Saint theology, I find Elder Uchdorf’s talk on grace in April 2015 to be an excellent resource. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2015/04/the-gift-of-grace?lang=eng
  12. I don’t think anybody really believes this. It’s just a dumb song a mission companion of mine would sing. It represents a really shallow understanding of what Protestant Christians actually believe.
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