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Questing Beast last won the day on August 27 2013

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  1. I don't see "control freak" in anything you said. What I was addressing is the angst that too many parents feel to shield their children from the world, and for far too long. There is nothing of what I actually said in your objection, and math analogy. Of course children learn as they mature, and we don't dump grad school on them in first grade, the very idea. You also don't excuse not trying to foster a heavenly environment in your own home with fallacious reasoning, like "The world will teach them this crap, so it might as well start here, better to learn it from their father than from strangers". Just because the world has crap in it doesn't mean we allow it in our homes. Example is how parents really teach. Words bounce off. And dogma largely bounces off too, as only the children naturally drawn to it continue in it. Your religious dogma will work with some but not all children....
  2. I prefer to assign the title "patriarchal marriage" simply because the whole notion of polygamy sticks in my throat, and that title is beloved of modern polygamists and is therefore associated with them in my mind....
  3. http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/journal-1835-1836?dm=image-and-text&zm=zoom-inner&tm=expanded&p=30&s=undefined&sm=none Robert Matthews, "Joshua the Jewish Minister", or Robert Mathias, or Mathias, et al., was hosted by JS in 1835, and told by JS that his doctrine was of the devil, and his god was the devil, etc....
  4. I disagree. You are trying to have your "cake" and eat it too. You can't study and weed out the "bad" stuff. It's impossible. Doing it officially is called censorship, an evil thing if there ever was. "God" is not concerned with what we learn on Earth, since it has virtually no impact on immortal minds once the venue of mortality is dispensed with. We learn from literally everything in mortality, "good and bad" intermixed. Trying to "protect" our children is impossible anyway, and we just come off as control freaks, which is what we become in fact when we try. The world is simply too big and complex (especially today!) for parents to be able to stand as some bulwark to protect their precious little darlings from the big bad evil world. We are all born into it, we all run into it, and we all get scarred up by it, and so we need to accept it as early as it happens, when it happens, how it happens, and talk about it endlessly, i.e. talk through it. Children will trust their parents the more if they know mom and dad have been through it already....
  5. Not to FLDS and others; to them patriarchal marriage refers to the original "patriarchs" of the OT, who all had multiple wives/concubines....
  6. I mean, patriarchal marriage = plurality of wives. So we agree....
  7. But the so-called second anointing IS ordinances, the ultimate ordinance, it is so asserted, since it admits that "your calling and election are made sure", i.e. your work here is done and all you have to do is die and get out of here. So I don't believe it either, and that leads to not believing in any of the ordinances that precede the second anointing. That leads to disbelieving in any dogmatic assertions that ordinances are actually required in the hereafter. The most that can be said for them is that ordinances point the attention of the receiver toward a higher goal than they otherwise would have set for themselves, and disciplines their daily walk instead of the opposite, which is to dither with inconsequentials and lose focus on what we Exist for, which Is to find Joy in being alive....
  8. @Stargazer: close your own thread, I don't care. I got in my say. OK, that was just rude. You are out of the thread. Tyson is just like any other scientist who doesn't like to ponder the imponderable. He lacks patience with those who do, and thinks that pondering the imponderable is somehow inimical to real scientific thought. He is dead wrong. Without metaphysical pondering science has absolutely no point, nowhere to go. We are all yearning to get off this ball of mud and out into the universe, the full-blown, expanding "world of humans". We can wait until we die, but maybe we just get reborn here and never get off. So we contribute to advancing our technology, that we have already contributed to earlier, with the sole purpose of getting off of here and out there. Maybe this is how it is done: generation by generation, of ourselves cooperating with ourselves, until we finally can "fly" as we feel in our guts we are meant to do. That is purely religious, metaphysical, mystical stuff. And science of the empirical empowers the physical capability to fulfill our mystical dreams....
  9. The feeling in my guts, while I have guts. If I don't have guts then I'll go by something else....
  10. "Dad, is, great! He gives, us, cake!" (When mom finds out, everybody else in the family is in trouble - remembering Bill Cosby's show....)
  11. Is a "second anointing" even necessary? Is any of the ordinance stuff necessary? Cut to the chase and ask the central questions, stop piffling around with the periphery questions....
  12. What's not healthy about it? Let the facts lead where they will. God Is in all things, so it's all good in the end because it will point to what Joy Is and is not. "There is nothing to fear except fear itself"....