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CA Steve

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  1. Honestly it's been so long I am not even sure when or where I heard it, so I would have no idea where to search for it. Along with that was how some people would only bath parts of their bodies while leaving their garments of the other half then reversing the process so as to never be totally without their garments. There were other claims about never seeing their spouse naked for their entire married lives that I remember but can not actually source. So I am happy to retract any of it if someone wants a CFR. 50 year old memories are quite suspect.
  2. I think I remember Mark E Peterson talking about never taking off your garments even during sex but that was a long time ago.
  3. I noticed that too but that is the outlier. In nearly all other questions, the Gen X & Millennials expressed more willingness to remove them. So I could see this as being an accommodation for them as some of the other recent changes seem to be. I see current leadership making changes to make being Mormon easier and I do not believe that portends well for our unique identity or even our membership numbers, in the long run.
  4. While there is a large grain of truth in your quip here, the argument that might hold sway is that it would be an accommodation that would appeal even more to younger generations.
  5. I like what Armand Mauss has to say in his 'Mormon Scholars Testify" about certainty of belief. Armand L. Mauss in Mormon Scholars Testify.
  6. If you do a Google search for "Mother Teresa controversy" I think you will find that her critics were much more widespread than just Hitchens. Critics range from the Washing Post, to the BBC and even the prestigious medical Journal Lancet published an article critical of her. See here for Wiki article on criticisms on Mother Teresa. Sometimes it's hard to accept that our heroes were/are human.
  7. As long as you don't count native Americans or Brigham Young's extermination order of them. Battle at Fort Utah
  8. Thanks Calm. Clearly if the OP had started out with a misquote (or even an accurate partial quote) of Elder Corbridge's similar type statement, it would not have reached 10 likes before someone thought to ask for a reference. Bill's name is a hot button issue here and many seem eager to jump on the criticism bandwagon anytime any sort of negative post about him is started. As a side note, I find it interesting that we openly approve of new converts expressing how they know the church is true only after a few months, or even weeks, of having read only the Book of Mormon and yet someone who claims to know the church is false after spending years investigating it is dismissed as being "emotional, fundamentalist, exaggerated, hyperbolic, or simplistic.
  9. A couple of observations. If this sort of criticism were being made of anyone within the church the OP would be required to substantiate the OP as something Bill had actually said with a reference that could be verified. Given the incredible amount of material there is covering Mormonism, it is not possible, in my opinion to "read and study every problematic issue in Mormonism" any more than I think it is possible to claim, as Elder Corbridge did recently in reference to material antagonistic to Mormonism, that "There may not be anything out there of that nature that I haven't read." Link to Elder Corbridge Talk.
  10. Exactly. By this same "reasoning" we can also conclude that the reversal revelation on baptizing the children of gay people is actually what God wanted since President Nelson is still alive.
  11. I am pretty sure this was just a policy statement, that had he lived a few years longer would have been reversed.
  12. This doesn't really answer your question but given that there are at least 400 different expressions of the church that Joseph started, I suppose there is only a 1 in 400 chance that any of us who trace our belief back to him, belong to the one expression that has not been allowed to descend into apostasy.
  13. I can just imagine the well-to-do people occupying the top floors enjoying the view and pointing out the sights and people below to each other. At 28 stories and with nearly 500,000 square feet and a stunning design, it really is a great looking and spacious office building.
  14. Well if you're uncomfortable with how the church uses the word 'historian', just wait until you see what we do with 'translation'.😋
  15. There are a lot of good historians in the field of Mormonism who are not professionally trained historians. I think we should judge historians by the quality of their work, not the letters after their names. I agree the church made a huge mistake by preventing Arrington from continuing his work, a mistake that it is still paying for as we could see from the Swedish rescue, but I believe they have really turned that around with what they have been producing in the last ten years or more. The JSPP is simply outstanding work. I am fine with an administrator at the head of the department as long as they continue to produce the same quality of work they have been producing recently. As a side note. I do not think it is feasible anymore to expect any one individual to keep fully informed in the field of Mormon history. It is a rapidly expanding field and the production is simply enormous. For example see this list of forthcoming books. Forthcoming Books on Mormonism. There is over 40 book on that list alone. Add to that the publication of half a dozen quarterly journals, and innumerable independent articles and other books, it is simple not possible to be current in all aspects of the field. So I would prefer they keep an able openminded administrator in the position even if he isn't actually a professionally trained historian.
  16. Sure. Nearly everyone agrees that leadership is capable of making mistakes, but seeing leadership acknowledge they have made a mistake is almost unheard of. Additionally, publicly pointing out that you think leadership has made mistakes can get you excommunicated. If we openly acknowledge fallibility we should also be able to openly discuss when that has happened or is happening. While we preach fallibility we practice infallibility. I think this is especially applicable when it comes to the living prophet and Joseph Smith.
  17. Our orthodoxy may not claim infallibility, but I think our orthopraxy does, especially when it comes to living leadership,
  18. I remember my parents efforts to collect and store a year's supply of food for our large family. We had 55 gallon drums of dry milk, hundreds of large cans of beans, oatmeal, dried vegetables, home canned fruits, and the wheat. Oh did we have wheat! Back then, we bought it in square 5 gallon metal containers that were stored out in the garage. We literally had a ton of wheat in the garage. My mom was constantly grinding it for flour and making the most fantastic homemade wheat bread, and if we were lucky, homemade scones. The smell of fresh baked bread still brings back memories of that house. Fast forward over a half century, my parents have moved four times since then, once back and forth across the country, lugging those cans with them each time they moved. Mom has since passed away and dad is getting up in years and my siblings and I are discussing what do we do with all this wheat? I plan using President Nelson's latest talk to convince my more conservative siblings of the blessings they will receive if they start hauling it around. 😉
  19. The questions you ask assume a uniform view as to what it means to be a Mormon. Since you have been around us a lot, you should know that simply is not true. So the answers you get here will be as diverse and wrong as the ones you can get in a ward house. My opinion is that if we could ask Christ, he would tell us he cares very little for labels and is more concerned with how we treat our fellow human beings.
  20. Yes and I have already reported this thread several times. 😮
  21. For me, the argument that says tithing funds justify an aggressive honor code enforcement could also apply to using the same methods within the church itself. IOW membership benefits, like sending our kids to BYU, or attending a building paid for by tithing would carry the same assumption of helping building the kingdom. So if it is okay to have anonymous complaint lines at Church supported schools would it be okay to have them for wards and stakes in general? Why is it just at the Church schools such a system is used? I am certainly not in favor of that, but I don't see how those who might make such an argument could only have it apply to the schools.
  22. From what I read, one of the complaints is the encouragement by leadership to report violations of others. An Instagram account sharing anonymous stories has renewed conversation about BYU’s Honor Code
  23. Can we apply the same rationale to the talks that President Nelson and Elder Christopherson gave? Were they also speaking in terms of the history of the world or scriptural time frames? If so we have lots of time to prepare, right?
  24. If the glaciers melt at the second coming, I have dibs on some beach front property in Denver.
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