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  1. From the Angel Moroni: "These plates have been revealed by the power of God, and they have been translated by the power of God. The translation of them which you have seen is correct and I command you to bear record of what you now see and hear." Don't go trying to improve on God now... The only valid translation is the original. Any changes made after the original, fall under the clause of "Steadying the Ark". ๐Ÿ˜Ž
  2. So as I understand it, this portion that you have re-written was supposedly translated directly from the plates. Last page, left hand side, according to Joseph if I recall correctly. It states that it (the record) was written by Mormon and sealed by the hand of Moroni. It also states that it was he, Moroni, who hid (past tense) it up unto the Lord. It doesn't say "I, Moroni seal this record by mine own hand." or "I, Moroni will hide these plates up unto the Lord." So if Moroni was supposedly the last writer in the BofM, who is writing this title page??? And how did the writer attach this last plate to the rest if they were already hidden? This seems very odd to me....๐Ÿค”๐Ÿคจ....๐Ÿ˜Ž
  3. Palerider

    New Book by Hafens: "Faith is Not Blind"

    Sincere prayer is never bothersome. But is it really sincere when we already know what the answer is and must be? The Lord would see this for what it is. That His will was not a true concern for the person asking. If we will only accept what is correlated with the arm of flesh, how can the Lord tell us of our error? Rather, he permits us what we have already decided must be correct.
  4. Palerider

    New Book by Hafens: "Faith is Not Blind"

    I appreciate your counsel and sincerity Let's roll. But it has been my experience that the church encourages members to seek testimony or a witness of the words of their prophets and if ones answer is different from the prophet, you need to pray until you get the correct answer, which is to follow the prophet. So if the prophet is always right, (unless he's dead which means he can then be wrong, but never very wrong, only a little wrong).....Why bother praying for a witness...??? Don't worry.... it's a rhetorical question...๐Ÿ™ƒ
  5. Palerider

    New Book by Hafens: "Faith is Not Blind"

    Ezekiel 34 is a latter day prophecy and by no means strictly limited to those of Israeli descent. Being intended for the latter days it must be taken into account that it addresses ALL of the lost sheep of Spiritual Israel which obviously includes the Gentiles as your own heading concurs in Romans 9: "The Gentiles are adopted into the house of Israel". Therefore, because of the bad behavior of the would be shepherds in the latter days, the Lord concludes that He, Himself will gather all the lost sheep of Israel. Ezekiel 34:11: "For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out." Further, it states that the Lord himself will lead the sheep to the place of safety and that they will be gathered by Him personally (After his coming, not before). This refrain of the Lord personally effecting this work is repeatedly stated in the entire chapter. Do you doubt his ability to accomplish this effort by Himself? How many times in the Old Testament did the Lord tell Israel to stand aside and watch as He accomplished a work by Himself? It is a recurring theme. Obviously the "Davidic" Prince is Christ himself who will rule in righteousness over the sheep gathered after his 2nd Coming. There is no mention of the employ of shepherds of men in this effort. No prophets being called to "prepare a people". They have already done enough damage to the flock of God. As an aside, some men are fed with money, some with adulation, some with power. "Teachers having itching ears." (Ears that love to be massaged with compliments and praise). The Savior said to beware of false prophets that come in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravening wolves. How would you describe the behavior of someone acting as a sheep??? Would they appear humble? Soft of heart? Weeping for the flock? Saying they had done great things in the name of the Lord? Preaching of the Kingdom? Appearing indeed holy and outwardly spiritually beautiful? Some men's works go before them...others follow...
  6. Palerider

    New Book by Hafens: "Faith is Not Blind"

    I agree. And since the Lord said that He is the only mediator between men and the Father and sent His Spirit as the Second Comforter to ensure that open line of communication, what need have we of the arm of flesh to tell us God's will? Especially when we have the Biblical scriptures as a general guide. The church used to say that the Bible also contained the fullness of the Gospel of Christ. Not sure if they still stand by that or not. But even with it's faults is there insufficient information in the Biblical scriptures for salvation with Christ?
  7. Palerider

    New Book by Hafens: "Faith is Not Blind"

    Doesn't member disaffection go some distance beyond discovering the incongruity between the "ideal and the real"? Obviously I haven't read it but to me this book as described so far, would fall seriously short of addressing the root problem. It is one thing to find that the map you have been given has some topographical errors in it compared to the reality of the landscape you are traversing. It is quite another to highly suspect that the map makers knew better but made a conscious decision to exclude hazards, misrepresenting not only the terrain but also the reward of the Promised Land at the end, knowing that if all truth were included, few if any would venture forth. "Intent" is a critical question here. If it is discovered, with adequate validity that there was intent to deceive or misrepresent for odious purposes then the problem is no longer one of "imperfections of men". It now becomes one of man's intentional pursuit of worldly desires at the expense of God's children. A latter day condition well described and prophesied in the 34th chapter of Ezekiel and condemned by the Lord. So another question might be, how does one convince disaffected members there has been no mendacity? Especially in view of evidence to the contrary. ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ˜’
  8. I'm sure you're right. That old Satan is very wily. And very good of you to be precognizant of his plan! I only wish that Pres. Hinkley could have been aware of that plan before the huge amount of time, effort and tithing money was expended on the "I'm a Mormon" campaign videos. As I recall everyone KNEW they were inspired at the time. Praise was heaped upon leadership for continuing to recieve revelation. How sad that they couldn't see they were falling right into the trap of Satan! It's too bad you weren't there among them to give them a little insight and guidance. You could have foiled Satan's plan. But all is well that ends well and now with the leadership of Bro. Nelson the church is back on track after years of dwelling in a little bit of darkness. Even better, we all KNOW that this new adjustment is revelation....this time...๐Ÿค”
  9. My counsel is useless and human. As Jiminy used to say: "Give a little whistle and always let your conscience be your guide."
  10. I feel impressed to let you know, this is not your fault Robert. But you are being faithful in displaying the desired "church broke" reaction of wanting to blame yourself. So you are accruing faithful member points to your credit. ๐Ÿค—
  11. From Joseph Smith Jr. "One of the grand fundamental principles of Mormonism is to receive truth, let it come from whence it may." I'm sure this is one of those slips. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Or this? "We should gather all the good and true principles in the world and treasure them up, or we shall not come out true "Mormons."" ETA: Second quote.
  12. Kind of surprised to see you take this sort of direction or liberty with a prophets' whispering from the Lord. Are you feeling alright? ๐Ÿ˜‰ ETA: Hope this isn't seen as a comment of any type on your person. I consider it just an observation. ๐Ÿค”
  13. Palerider

    Apostasy

    There is more to belonging to Christ than joining a church that claims authority and that salvation only comes through ordinances. Mark 9:38-40 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is on our part. Sadly, you seek to limit God's power to convert his children to Christ by the power of his Spirit no matter where or who they are. Do you reject the power of the Biblical scriptures to convert one to Christ through the Spirit? Are you telling us that from approx. 100 a.d. until 1830 there were no true Christians? And that God didn't consider ANY of those millions of people who looked to Christ for salvation to be part of the body of Christ? What do you suppose it means when Christ says, "For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them." That only counts after 1830???!!! Please.....
  14. Palerider

    Apostasy

    Here is what the current lds church teaches... "Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Redeemer of the world is a Christian, regardless of differences in theology." https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/authority-in-the-church I would have to say, if you're a believing Christian doing your best... you're a part of the body of Christ. You'll have to reconcile the discrepancy between what Christ supposedly told Joseph then and what the church teaches now on your own....if you're able...
  15. Just curious whether anyone here can state authoritatively whether church-owned businesses actually pay a tithe back to the church? Or is the tithe unnecessary because the business is already considered a church asset?
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