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  1. Well alli can say is that in my almost 60 years at least 35 of it the Church was nowhere near as ecumenical as it is today. But as I said to Calm, the LDS Church loves to sweep these things under the rug and dissemble about them, sort of like what you just did.
  2. Calm I am really in your camp on this one. And certainly the rhetoric about other Christian sects has subsided extensively in the past 25-30 years. On the other hand I grew up with the quotes I provided, as well as a plethora of others. When serving as a missionary from 1979-1981 I was of the mind, and approached my teaching and quite a few bible bashes I got into, that the LDS Church and it's members were the only Christians, and the rest were apostate wannabe's. So there is no question that the Church and its leaders were much more harsh about other Christian sects than they are today. I think they should own that rather than brush it under the rug like so many other things the LDS Church does. I recall one fine Catholic family we taught and baptized. AS the father of this family read the Book of Mormon he concluded himself that The Great and Abominable Church was the Catholic Church. We did not taint him with that idea. He concluded it himself from his own studies of the Book of Mormon.
  3. “Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian” (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116). I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian churches), for they were all wrong . . . their creeds were an abomination in [God’s] sight; that those professors were all corrupt” (Joseph Smith—History1:19). “The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon” (Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, Orson Pratt, n. 6, 84). [Under the heading, “Church of the Devil,” Apostle Bruce R. McConkie lists:] “The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being ‘most abominable above all other churches’ (I Ne. 13:5)” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, 129). “Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Morm. 8; Moro. 8)” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, Bruce R. McConkie, 177).
  4. Hello. So sorry to hear you are struggling. Its a tough road we all walk. I recommend two easy read books by Stephen Robinson. They are each about 120 pages. First one is called Believing Christ and the second is called Following Christ. They both helped me very much at a point in my life where I was feeling like you are.
  5. I am so sorry and sad that this was your situation. Blessings for you and to you going forward.
  6. I think it is good advice. However, I wonder why they never bring up one of the biggest time takers for active men in the church and that is the church itself. When my family was growing I rarely watched sports. I had no outside hobbies. I neglected my own physical well being by not exercising and not eating well, which was my own fault. It took a major illness in my early 40's for me to start to make my own health a priority. That was my own fault as I said. But between a family of four children, a very demanding career and church calling, activities and events it was hard to find the time. We also limited our children's outside activity to one musical activity and one sport at a time plus church activity. I really don't regret how we raised our kids nor the time and activity that tha church took for both me and my wife. I think we managed it well. But my children will tell you that I was gone, a lot, for church callings. From EQ president, to ward mission leader, to counselor in a bishopric, YM president, bishop and HC twice I was gone many many hours a week, Add home teaching and other church activities, and well, you get the picture. In the comment that no other interest in life should take priority over a man's relationship with their wife I wish that they would say that includes church service as well.
  7. When I was a bishop I would get a number of request for no contact. Didn't want home teachers, didn't want ward newsletters, didn't want anyone coming to their home for any reason. What I did for such was to send a letter stating that I would notate their do not contact request but chances were when there was a new bishop and other new leadership someone may still contact them. I would then tell them if they really did not want contact here are the steps they could take to have their name removed from the church records and then nobody would bother them. In six years and at least a few dozen letters like this I had ONE person request name removal. And then, when we processed the name removal request, and this person got the letter form our SP stating that their name would be removed unless in 30 days they contacted him and asked that the process to remove their name NOT go forward. And this member did that. So they stayed on the Church membership rolls.
  8. So yes more may ask to have their named removed. Then you have a lot of slugs like me. I was totally active and a full believing member up until a few years ago. Served in numerous leadership positions including bishop and High Council twice. So I still attend church maybe 50% of the time. I hold no calling and this year decided not to tithe anymore. Thus I do not now hold a TR. But I still give a lot to fast offering and humanitarian aid. My wife and I are on the same page. In fact she does not go to church at all so when I go, I go alone. Yet I neither of us want to remove our names from the church rolls and likely never will. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands, if not millions, are out there like us.
  9. Not sure what AOC has to do with this topic.
  10. I think he likely believes it. But these types of teachings evolve in religion to keep members in line. I have heard all of my almost 60 years how the end is nigh. As a kid and teen I was told I was one of the elect, held back to the last days, a Saturday warrior. These types of things have been around since Jesus's day.
  11. No not really. The Holy Ghost is a metaphysical confirmation that one can only experience personally and not know what is happening for someone else. As for your comments regarding me personally I know you need to marginalize me. it makes you feel spiritually superior and lends to your confirmation bias. I am happy I helped keep you safe today. And thank you for confirming you have not changed a bit.
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