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  1. To be honest I think a lot of the new changes are misunderstood. like home teaching, we still have home teaching by a new name, but people think it’s no more. When you read the handbooks it still the same 123 but now they added 123456789, so were not put into a little box. the ward mission leader can be a member of the elders presidency, but I only see this happening if the ward is very small. its a numbers game. ward mission leader- 100 percent focus missionary work. counselor in elders quorum- maybe 30 percent focus from other tasks or may even take a back seat if the person is not missionary minded.
  2. This church is apart of the movie American gospel. the movie says it’s a prosperity gospel. also there healings are faked. one example is leg stretching.
  3. Good question. I side with scripture. in another note. adam and eve where not created in the garden, they were placed there after.
  4. Years ago My buddy was called as the new stake president, and we were talking and people kept saying to him congratulations. i then said to him very loudly “why are they congratulating you, because you did not earn your calling.” he smiled at me and said “ that is why I like you, you always keep me humble.” a few months later he got his revenge. Bishop!!
  5. Of all the callings I have done. two are my favorite. Gospel Doctrine teacher. Ward missionary.
  6. I would agree but I would also disagree. i don’t want a bishop who does not want to do the job because then you get a lazy bishop. but also this scripture does not just mean bishop, it means elder as well even deacon which means you don’t want lazy priesthood holders.
  7. Also 1 Timothy 3 1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. Vs 2. One wife - must be married and loyal to her. I.e one wife at a time. vs 4. Children - meaning two or more.😉 vs 7. Are without- must be a respected in the community. These are just some of the ways I have heard my IBC buddy interpret these verses.
  8. That is hog wash. I know bishops that have been divorced.
  9. I have shared this before but I found out the new apostolic church also does baptism for the dead.
  10. Old news. The pope said the Lord’s Prayer needs reworking. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. To bad Joseph smith said it first. Jst 9Therefore after this manner shall ye pray, saying, 10Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 11Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as it is done in heaven. 12Give us this day, our daily bread. 13And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. 14And suffer us not to be led into temptation, but deliver us from evil. 15For thine is the kingdom and the power, and the glory, forever and ever. Amen. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/08/lead-us-not-into-mistranslation-pope-wants-lords-prayer-changed
  11. Salvation for the Dead According to 1 Peter 3: 18–20, those who died in the flood received special love and care from Jesus Christ: after His sacrificial death, He proclaimed the gospel to them in the realm of the dead. The fact that the dead need the proclamation of the gospel in order to “live in the spirit” is also stated in 1 Peter 4: 6: “For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” Jesus Christ is Lord over the dead and the living. His gospel is equally valid for all. It is the desire of God that all men be saved (1 Timothy 2: 4–6; John 3: 16). This means that God’s will to save is given to all who believe. Salvation is offered through the proclamation of the word, the forgiveness of sins, and baptism and the Holy Ghost. All of these are likewise intended for the dead. For them as for the living, belief in Jesus Christ is indispensable for attaining salvation. Redemption occurs solely through Jesus Christ. Those holding the priesthood fulfill the commission of Jesus Christ by submitting the ordinances of salvation upon both the living and the dead. They act in Christ’s stead and in His name. Just as Jesus Christ brought His sacrifice on earth, salvation is also imparted through the Priesthood on earth. The dispensation of Baptism with water and the Holy Ghost to the departed is effected when the visible act associated with each is performed upon a living person in the temple Here the salvific effect is not for the benefit of the living, but rather exclusively for the departed. Departed souls now have experienced the rebirth of water and the Spirit are of equal standing with the dead in Christ (1 Thessalonians 4: 16).
  12. She told him, to tell people to stop.
  13. I asked the same question, and the SS President sent me the emails and they were very good. one lady talked about how she likes the jst version of Matthew 25:12 in how they did not know Jesus. Another email talked about Luke 18. in how many times the Pharisee used “I” 5 times in his prayer. Nothing crazy, just useful information.
  14. How do some of you feel about CBD, is it breaking the words of wisdom?
  15. When I taught SS I loved it when I got emails from members of the ward. Some times they were questions, and sometimes they were good insightful answers. and others not so insightful. I would use them in my preparations.
  16. Question: so yesterday the Sunday school president told everyone that is sending the Sunday school teacher lesson supported materials to stop. Because the SS teacher is the one to receive revelation for the class preparation, not the students. Is this weird or a normal thing in the church?
  17. The rich ruler matt 19 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Too many people focus on the part of Jesus saying keep the commandments to be saved. what they miss is that Jesus is saying there are two way to be saved. 1. Keep the commandments. 2. Have faith in him. we can not keep the commandments perfectly. Jesus says only god is good and after Jesus tells the man which commandments to keep he says he keeps them all. Which in turn is saying he is also good. But we know that is not true because only god is good. verses 25-26 teach the true meaning of the conversation.
  18. What are your goals. then I can answer your question better.
  19. My great uncles are Jesuit and before I joined the lds church I was in the process of joining the order as well.
  20. What type of monk do you want to be. i grow up in the Jesuit order. They focus on education and living a Christ centered life.
  21. Sin, Repentance and Forgiveness The scriptures teach that sin is a deliberate rebellious act against God and his laws. It is through the Laws of God that we know we are sinners. The English Bible translates "sin" from the Greek and Hebrew languages and denotes the act of missing the mark; the original sense of the New Testament Greek word ἁμαρτία hamartia "sin", is failure, being in error, missing the mark, especially in spear throwing; Hebrew hata "sin" originates in archery and literally refers to missing the "gold" at the center of a target, In other contexts it was used to speak of losing one’s way on a road. More generally it means, “to do wrong, sin or error.” This “missing the mark” viewpoint can give the wrong idea if not understood correctly that sinners try their very best but somehow fall short. The old adage of no one is perfect. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth: sinners are not doing their best, even by human standards. They are doing pretty much what they want to do, which is to live for themselves and not for God. While the archery analogy implicitly portrays sin as an inability to do good, what people need to know when they are learning the gospel, is that they don’t truly miss the mark by a few inches or feet, in stead they have chosen not to do good at all and have turned there backs on God and have chosen to shoot the arrow in a completely different place or direction. Then they will see that it is by this choice for which God calls them to repent and trust in Jesus Christ to forgive them. It must be taught and learned that only through Christ can the mark truly be hit. April 2018 Behold the Man!By Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf “We have all sinned. Our sins would forever keep us from living with God, because “no unclean thing can enter into his kingdom.” As a result, every man, woman, and child was shut out of His presence--that is, until Jesus Christ, the Lamb without spot, offered His life as a ransom for our sins. Because Jesus owed no debt to justice, He could pay our debt and meet the demands of justice for every soul. And that includes you and me. Jesus Christ paid the price for our sins. All of them.” How can we know if we have truly repented and are now following Christ? The simple answer is, their will be fruit of our change. Luke 13:5-9 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. Today choose to Seek Christ, Seek his love, and Seek his spirit, and you will learn Christ had already Sought after you first.
  22. Do you think they are going to video instead of live?
  23. Saturday morning was mostly about missionary work in how it’s all of our responsibilities. be kind of cool if they brought back stake missionaries and you could serve a full time mission in your own stake.
  24. After talking with family and friends, some thought that once god reveals something it’s set in stone, but we talk about how things have changed due to the voice of the people. now does it make it right or wrong for God to go by the voice of the people, only time will tell. Israel had God as their king but because they wanted to be like other groups they wanted a earthly king. And we know how that went. god said no to the 114 pages but then said ok. Polygamy yes then no. blacks and priesthood no then yes.
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