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  1. I read the scripture block. then go verse by verse asking questions and finding answers. also I do word studies. and I try and find a way to turn it into a lesson or a devotional. example I was studying Amos and came across his job discription and asked why is that important then I wrote a devotional on it and this is what I came up with. The Gardener. One of my favorite prophets of the Old Testament is Amos and in his book he tells us “I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit.” I asked myself, what is sycamore fruit and why would this be important information for us to know about Amos? So I looked in to it and found that Sycomore fruit is a Fig, and in Its present practice of Egyptian and Cypriot growers of the sycamore (fig-mulberry) trees is to pierce the premature fruit with a nail or other sharp instrument in order to make the fruit edible. The wounding, or piercing, of sycamore figs at an early ripening stage induces a sharp increase in the emanation of ethylene gas, which accelerates the growth and ripening of the fruit considerably (three to eight times). This is important since otherwise the fruit will not fully develop and will stay hard or it will be spoiled by parasitic wasps that penetrate the fruit and inhabit it for reproduction. I also have been an avid gardener for many years, I have mostly been experimenting with indoor gardening for the past 11 years, mostly growing tomatoes and strawberry’s. I have been very successful at it as well, but I always notice when I begin the hardening of my plants, that’s when they become the target of cold and pest. “Hardening off” is the process of moving plants outdoors for a portion of the day to gradually introduce them to the direct sunlight, dry air, and cold nights. So as I continued to study these gardening techniques the spiritual symbolisms just calls out to me. How could a fruit that is damaged become better then if it was just left on it own? How could placing a plant in the world away from its protection help it become stronger? Then the scripture Hebrew 12:6 “For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.” I sometimes wish the Lord did not love me so much, But I know it is for my good and the good of my family. I love that we can find spiritual lessons all around us. When Mary mistakes Jesus for the Gardener, I now know why, Because Jesus is the Greatest Gardener of our lives. In the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ, Amen.
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    Scripture is scripture. all the other answers are opinions.
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    Surplus just read section 119
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    Youtube Apologetics -- Faith vs Works

    Faith is a gift, repentance is a gift baptism is a gift And we know that the Holy Ghost is a gift. Salvation is a gift gift equals grace. after you receive your gift do you put it in a box or do you use it?
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    Youtube Apologetics -- Faith vs Works

    I used to think the same way, until I realized it did matter. it matters why we do the works. Do I do them to get something, or because I Am grateful.
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    Youtube Apologetics -- Faith vs Works

    It comes to order. faith , grace, salvation, works. some like to say faith grace works salvation. what order do you put it in?
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    Can Angels Eat?

    I think they were messengers or holy men
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    Youtube Apologetics -- Faith vs Works

    Romans 11:6 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
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    Youtube Apologetics -- Faith vs Works

    Baptism is not a work. Baptism is the perfect example of faith and grace. Here is my view of baptism and how it is necessary, baptism is not a work of righteousness on our part. It is our debt by faith which puts us into the grace of Jesus. It is the response of a good conscience, but without the grace of God it is useless. So Baptism is the perfect vehicle to teach true faith in Jesus Christ. First, I don't baptize myself; someone else does. Just like I don't save myself; Jesus does. Jesus does for us what we can't do for ourselves. Second, true faith is complete trust. As I am being lowered into the water I am relying wholeheartedly on the guy doing the deed. If I reach out and try and catch myself then I don't have true faith. Third, Jesus said we must be born again, water spirit blood Greatest teaching of applied grace
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    Change to TR Interview Question?

    It’s less harsh by what I read. you now can associate with them but not support.
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    The Ongoing Restoration

    One change I think might happen is everyone in the ward will now go out to do missionary work, like the JW’s do.
  12. My neighbor invited me to his church to hear a ex bishop, who was now the new mission leader type of the church. so before I went I did some back ground on the man. found out he was fired from his last church and he never served as a bishop but as a 2 counselor in a bishopric. I went and he had a bunch of books on sale and dumb argument against the church. Angel Moroni still being called an angel. After the meeting I confronted him and pointed out his fault in the arguments and told him I know he was lying about everything. He tried to argue back but then I friend stepped in and asked if he was ever a bishop. he said no but a councilor in a bishopric, i tlod the group that is not the same. The councilors are not set apart as bishops. then he cut me off and said that he served for one year, and it was very challenging. the people watching this exchange of words started to laugh. Because of one year. then he started to attack me saying I am trying to earn my way to heaven. then I gave my testimony of Gods Grace and atonement. last I heard the man stayed at the church for a few years, out stayed his welcome and was fired.
  13. The baptism and gift of the Holy Ghost are done under the direction of the bishop or mission president who does hold the keys for those ordinances.
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    The Ongoing Restoration

    What else is there to do?
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    So, why get baptized for DEAD people

    Salvation for the Dead According to 1 Peter 3: 18–20, those who died in the flood received special love and care from Jesus Christ: after His sacrificial death, He proclaimed the gospel to them in the realm of the dead. The fact that the dead need the proclamation of the gospel in order to “live in the spirit” is also stated in 1 Peter 4: 6: “For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” Jesus Christ is Lord over the dead and the living. His gospel is equally valid for all. It is the desire of God that all men be saved (1 Timothy 2: 4–6; John 3: 16). This means that God’s will to save is given to all who believe. Salvation is offered through the proclamation of the word, the forgiveness of sins, and baptism and the Holy Ghost. All of these are likewise intended for the dead. For them as for the living, belief in Jesus Christ is indispensable for attaining salvation. Redemption occurs solely through Jesus Christ. Those holding the priesthood fulfill the commission of Jesus Christ by submitting the ordinances of salvation upon both the living and the dead. They act in Christ’s stead and in His name. Just as Jesus Christ brought His sacrifice on earth, salvation is also imparted through the Priesthood on earth. The dispensation of Baptism with water and the Holy Ghost to the departed is effected when the visible act associated with each is performed upon a living person in the temple Here the salvific effect is not for the benefit of the living, but rather exclusively for the departed. Departed souls now have experienced the rebirth of water and the Spirit are of equal standing with the dead in Christ (1 Thessalonians 4: 16).