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  1. Doctrine 612

    Can Angels Eat?

    I think they were messengers or holy men
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    Youtube Apologetics -- Faith vs Works

    Romans 11:6 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
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    Youtube Apologetics -- Faith vs Works

    Baptism is not a work. Baptism is the perfect example of faith and grace. Here is my view of baptism and how it is necessary, baptism is not a work of righteousness on our part. It is our debt by faith which puts us into the grace of Jesus. It is the response of a good conscience, but without the grace of God it is useless. So Baptism is the perfect vehicle to teach true faith in Jesus Christ. First, I don't baptize myself; someone else does. Just like I don't save myself; Jesus does. Jesus does for us what we can't do for ourselves. Second, true faith is complete trust. As I am being lowered into the water I am relying wholeheartedly on the guy doing the deed. If I reach out and try and catch myself then I don't have true faith. Third, Jesus said we must be born again, water spirit blood Greatest teaching of applied grace
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    Change to TR Interview Question?

    It’s less harsh by what I read. you now can associate with them but not support.
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    The Ongoing Restoration

    One change I think might happen is everyone in the ward will now go out to do missionary work, like the JW’s do.
  6. My neighbor invited me to his church to hear a ex bishop, who was now the new mission leader type of the church. so before I went I did some back ground on the man. found out he was fired from his last church and he never served as a bishop but as a 2 counselor in a bishopric. I went and he had a bunch of books on sale and dumb argument against the church. Angel Moroni still being called an angel. After the meeting I confronted him and pointed out his fault in the arguments and told him I know he was lying about everything. He tried to argue back but then I friend stepped in and asked if he was ever a bishop. he said no but a councilor in a bishopric, i tlod the group that is not the same. The councilors are not set apart as bishops. then he cut me off and said that he served for one year, and it was very challenging. the people watching this exchange of words started to laugh. Because of one year. then he started to attack me saying I am trying to earn my way to heaven. then I gave my testimony of Gods Grace and atonement. last I heard the man stayed at the church for a few years, out stayed his welcome and was fired.
  7. The baptism and gift of the Holy Ghost are done under the direction of the bishop or mission president who does hold the keys for those ordinances.
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    The Ongoing Restoration

    What else is there to do?
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    So, why get baptized for DEAD people

    Salvation for the Dead According to 1 Peter 3: 18–20, those who died in the flood received special love and care from Jesus Christ: after His sacrificial death, He proclaimed the gospel to them in the realm of the dead. The fact that the dead need the proclamation of the gospel in order to “live in the spirit” is also stated in 1 Peter 4: 6: “For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” Jesus Christ is Lord over the dead and the living. His gospel is equally valid for all. It is the desire of God that all men be saved (1 Timothy 2: 4–6; John 3: 16). This means that God’s will to save is given to all who believe. Salvation is offered through the proclamation of the word, the forgiveness of sins, and baptism and the Holy Ghost. All of these are likewise intended for the dead. For them as for the living, belief in Jesus Christ is indispensable for attaining salvation. Redemption occurs solely through Jesus Christ. Those holding the priesthood fulfill the commission of Jesus Christ by submitting the ordinances of salvation upon both the living and the dead. They act in Christ’s stead and in His name. Just as Jesus Christ brought His sacrifice on earth, salvation is also imparted through the Priesthood on earth. The dispensation of Baptism with water and the Holy Ghost to the departed is effected when the visible act associated with each is performed upon a living person in the temple Here the salvific effect is not for the benefit of the living, but rather exclusively for the departed. Departed souls now have experienced the rebirth of water and the Spirit are of equal standing with the dead in Christ (1 Thessalonians 4: 16).
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    Is it time to end Testimony meetings?

    I’ll be honest fast and testimony meeting is my least favorite day. but if it was gone then I would be sad.
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    And they came to pass...the sacrament?

    Deacon takes it to the door.
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    And they came to pass...the sacrament?

    Chi 2 sec 20 Under the direction of the bishopric, priesthood holders bless the sacrament and pass it to members of the congregation during each sacrament meeting. Aaronic Priesthood holders usually perform these duties. Under the direction of the bishopric, the deacons quorum president has the privilege and responsibility to invite others to help pass the sacrament. When there are not enough deacons, he counsels with a member of the bishopric to determine who may be asked to assist. Generally, teachers and priests in the Aaronic Priesthood should be invited to pass the sacrament before Melchizedek Priesthood holders are invited to do so. Where there are enough Aaronic Priesthood holders, Melchizedek Priesthood holders should not be invited to bless and pass the sacrament on a regular schedule.
  13. Is the Sunday school president also under the elders quorum?
  14. I am a member of the restored church of Jesus Christ
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    No more Gospel Principles.

    I hope they keep the manual around, I like using it to teach my kids during FHE. and now that we can start study groups it would be great for starting a new convert study group.