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  1. I think the "call for racial and ethnic harmony and an end to prejudice ("equality of influence")" takes the relationship beyond civil rights and social issues and into the moral realm: "[The theme] also highlights [NAACP's] continued efforts to fight against the growing climate of racism and hate that threatens the moral fabric of our society in ways we haven't seen in generations". This justifies the Church's prioritization of this relationship, consistent with her mission, and I think helps emphasize that her past positions on these and other political issues. and internal policy, in terms of morality.
  2. D&C 123:12 comes to mind: "For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it." Also, covenants trump sexuality for we can keep them no matter our capacity, orientation and choices in expressing it.
  3. I find Acts 10 (Cornelius) to be an example of God including "non-members" along the way in His work to establish His kingdom through those with the formal keys to do that.
  4. I think the Book of Mormon helps with this, for example with 1 Nephi 14 :10 which I see as similar in sentiment to Mark 9:38, 39. Faith in Christ can bring forth miracles without priesthood conferral or office, but not the mystery of godliness, which does require the organized "house of God" / "church of the living God." 1 Timothy 3 touches upon the priesthood, office and church organization through which we follow the body Christ through the advancing fruits of faith. The next two (and other) chapters are instructive in this regard as well.
  5. I think Jesus would obtain an accurate perception and understanding of the facts (as He did with the multitudes need for food), assess the value and competing purposes of His resources (as He did with the box of spikenard ointment), then seek and obtain the Father's will (as He did always).
  6. If personhood requires both independence and individuality, then I would say it arises as the living offspring separates from the mother / parents and independent from them. Hence offspring at any stage of development that becomes separated from the mother and reliant upon others for survival (living fetus, lost toddler) should be treated as a person. Sometimes we may be in a situation to choose to sacrifice other persons.
  7. Translating morality into law is why the Lord instituted governments. It is interesting that He gave us the means to do that and is willing to suffer / tolerate what we do with it until He comes again. I believe, because He promised, that His kingdom will survive and thrive no matter what we do through our governing processes. I see many saints politically governing and being governed by systems that are not friendly to the Gospel or religious freedom, and in some cases in an effort or hope to influence and change the Church, but the Lord will prevail.
  8. What are you defining as a problem, and why? The link (and this month's Ensign) indicate the Church recognizes that some missionaries cone home early, so there is a response to and counsel for that particular item.
  9. I think that religiosity also decreases when ostensibly personal revelation or "spirituality" is not recognized as a manipulated infusion of influence from most impressive secular advancements, including those coming from "conspiring men." In other words, a practice of one's pure religion that retains the form of godliness but denies the power thereof.
  10. We often make choices in behalf of the living who are unable to make them independently (e.g., when to remove life support, when to abort), especially when it comes to offspring. So, I think the question of ending another life is no more a function of when that life begins than bringing a life into the world not knowing exactly when it ends (temporally or qualitatively). We are taught to lose our lives to save others, the Father gave up His Son to save others (and Abraham was willing to give up his son). These are certainly moral questions 9and the Church treats it as such in the Handbook). I think when we make laws that bind a society to particular behaviors and mores, people ultimately participate on a moral and not a scientific basis, no matter what the science says. Politics are fundamentally emotional, arising out of a personal sense of fairness also. Science just becomes part of the overall debate, but spiritual truth shines out of darkness independent of science and debate, and that is where our leaven comes in. I’m seeing the secularization of society relying more and more on scientific debate, but the saints are also encouraged to be driven by personal revelation, including how to leverage the science when necessary. The war in heaven continues and the adversary is just as convincing as the Spirit to those who do not comprehend the light shining in darkness. (I think 95% of scientists would agree that conception is an expression and a continuation, and not only the beginning, of life).
  11. I think the perception that someone is acting like the leaders are infallible is often the result of misunderstanding his reason and intent for acting on their counsel.
  12. Absolutely makes sense; thank you! What have you found to be the areas of discussion with the missionaries that are in common theologically, and what resonates most with you from your reading the Book of Mormon?
  13. What struck you most about their message? Or about the Book of Mormon's message from any of the editions?
  14. Sent you a PM so as not to appear to advertise a for-profit business...
  15. Thank you. From what I’ve been able to gather in the last hour or so, the “chief priests” were those rabbis associated with the Sanhedrin, the Jewish tribunal system that (d)evolved from Moses’ courts of judges to operating under Roman authority in its rule / occupation of Judea, permitting a degree of self-government among the Jewish population. Led by the temple high priest, the council consisted of other high priests, elders, heads of prominent families, and scribes / lawyers. Under the Romans, it judged both civil and religious matters (including temple issues and adjudicating charges surrounding false prophets), served as the Jewish supreme court and could ostensibly declare war. Evidently, decisions calling for capital punishment required corroboration and sentencing by the occupying Roman governor. So it would seem that the chief priests had enough authority, or leeway/corroboration at least, from the Roman prefect to engage in these activities and work closely with arresting officers and jailers and so forth, and perhaps employ their own.
  16. What legal basis did the chief priests and Saul have to arrest, bind and even kill Christians (Book of Acts)? Through the four gospels, they seem to have been dependent on getting / manipulating Rome to do this kind of thing for them. Thank you!
  17. I saw a movie about him once. Good dancer!
  18. I think a good rule of thumb is to invite and receive the companionship of the Holy Ghost in whatever we do, without compartmentalizing the areas of life in which He is welcome. Easier said than done! But mostly I'm too busy to watch more than a movie or two over a weekend, assuming i can find something that catches my interest. I'm not a fan of series because they require too much commitment, and no matter how well-produced, become caricatures of themselves after a couple of seasons, so I quickly lose interest. I've subscribed to a filtering service to remove several types of R-rated offenses and PG-13 (just language) from streamed material. Someday I will probably just give that up as well and stick with only wholesome entertainment through media other than "film," especially as it takes on more "VR" qualities.
  19. Our conducting bishopric member reminds the congregation to keep the testimonies simple and Christ-centered and that has helped quite a bit. We still have a small (but shrinking) number of people who are still processing that counsel :). I tend to pray for them as they bear testimony, and I believe that helps both them, and me, and the congregation. Ministering brothers and sisters also have an opportunity here, not only for counsel and instruction, but in helping resolve whatever the root cause might be.
  20. Like you apparently, I keep it because I promised to, which is also a principle with a promise.
  21. I came across this Ensign article this morning which I think is pertinent to this discussion: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2019/07/religious-identity-like-marrow-in-our-bones?lang=eng On one hand: "Modern life has afforded us enormous freedom. We are free like never before to become what and who we want to be. As sources of individual meaning have proliferated, we now better understand that respect for human dignity requires appropriate accommodation of the many ways human identity finds expression. With that realization have come, albeit sometimes slowly, greater social acceptance of those once marginalized and greater legal safeguards to protect basic human rights and to accommodate people’s identities." On the other: "But too often secular elites and government officials focus so much on certain favored identities—such as race, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity—that they miss the importance of religion as a profound source of identity." His conclusion: "But I believe that religious and secular people of goodwill have big enough hearts, broad enough minds, and strong enough wills to forge the hard compromises that will allow all of us, whatever our identities, to live together in dignity, respect, and peace. It is to that task that we must commit ourselves for the good of all."
  22. I think this is why we tend to use the world "organize," or take "create" to mean "organize. We are not created, but organized. We do not create, but organize things that always were. So I think it safe to say we were literally organized and literally organize.
  23. I think what we construe to be literal for this life is but a dream to those in heaven, and vice-versa (not that either isn't real). Both are real. By covenant, our word is as good as our deed, and things, as complex as they might seem to be, also might as well be as plain and as simple as the scriptures teach. So I believe or discern that we are literally children of Heavenly Parents (Father and Mother), brothers and sisters. Given what the Book of Moses says, I believe He is the one Eternal Father of all the souls inhabiting of all the worlds He has created, and of all those spirits He has cast out, wherever they may be.
  24. I remember Elder Uchtdorf giving a talk a few years ago about how charity applies to how to treat people who look, dress, speak differently than the local norm/tradition. I think the Church is approaching this not from the angle of accommodating and representing what people view as spiritual (we know where that can go!), but from how broadly, liberally and diversely the light of Christ is actually manifest.
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