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    I like to listen to others that share different beliefs than me. I try to respect those differences, but will also challenge those beliefs to sort out truth from dogma. I feel that people have often let religious dogma overshadow the basic message of Christ. I adhere to simple truths. Love God, love others, let God judge and worry about my own faults.

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  1. california boy

    Stake disciplinary council

    Thanks for following up on my post. I thought about that after I posted.
  2. california boy

    Stake disciplinary council

    I am pretty sure there was no straw vote at my excommunication. It has been 20 years ago, but. I think I would have remembered that.
  3. california boy

    Stake disciplinary council

    I don't want to make this thread about me, but I certainly identify with what this man has done and why he wishes things could change for him. I hope he finds peace. I know that is possible. If there is anything that you want to talk to me about or if you think I could help him in any way, just PM me. I am more than happy to do what I can.
  4. california boy

    Stake disciplinary council

    I never sat on a disciplinary council when I was on the high council, but this was very similar to my own excommunication court. It personally was a very positive experience. I didn't feel any animosity towards me. Nor did I have any animosity towards the church for the actions taken towards me. Of course, I felt sorrow for having to leave the church. But I knew it was the right thing for both me and the church given its current position on gays. I already knew that what I needed to do was not in alignment with church policy. In the end, when the decision was announced, each person on the high council stood up, gave me a hug as I went around the room and wished me the best. Of course almost all of them knew me well and had served with me. I would hope that every person who is excommunicated receives such a positive experience. I wondered if Sam felt he had been treated fairly given the whole 45/15 minute thing.
  5. california boy

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I think EVERYONE should stop this attorney latin lawyer jargon trend and just say what you want to say. It doesn't make anyone's' post more important or their points less valid to use English to make your points But hey, I am just one poster here that would rather use Maori to reinforce the importance of what I write. I am sure after two posts everyone is already annoyed by that idea.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I am really addressing those who are making statements directed specifically to Sam Young, when they have absolutely no proof to allegations that he was the one doing the taping. Don't you see that jumping to that conclusion is problematic? I do have a question. It has been said that everyone in the room agreed to not take the DC. Do we know that as a fact? I haven't seen an actual reference for that belief.
  7. california boy

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Thanks for the clarification.
  8. california boy

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    What were the exact words you said to Happyjack when he asked that posters use English rather than Latin?
  9. california boy

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Once again in Maori. Wow this is great. Do you all now think I am more brilliant and my arguments should have more weight? I te wa i pai ai ki te whakapae i tetahi tangata kei te tinihanga, no te mea he take tera e kore ai ia e tinihanga?
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Kei te whakaatu koe i ou ake whakapono. Kaore koe e whakaae? I decided to answer you in Maori. I served my mission there. It does make me sound more important don't you think?
  11. california boy

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Somehow I have this image of a shepherd having personal interviews with each of his sheep before they are allowed into the pasture.
  12. california boy

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    This is an example of putting blind trust in church leaders and assume the worse in anyone that is unhappy with what the church is doing.
  13. california boy

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    So has a high council member has ever resigned from the church because they felt what the church was doing was wrong? Perhaps some high council members are much closer to resigning than what you are personally aware of. There is more than one single possibility for how the recording was made and recorded. Not sure how anyone can rule out everyone but the one person who has denied doing the recording. Some have suggested that Sam Young is being treated more harshly than Bishop. Wouldn't this be an example of that?
  14. california boy

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Give each youth a list of the questions. As them to answer each question and sign the form. If they do not turn in the completed form, they will not be allowed to participate. If they have any questions they should talk to their parents. As an alternative, they can ask for a meeting with the bishop. The requirement to enter the temple is worthiness before the Lord, not worthiness before the bishop.
  15. california boy

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Really? It is in the Bishop's Handbook? I have read the press release, but until it is in the handbook, press releases are meaningless and just PR imo. Can you tell me exactly how it is stated? Perhaps if we know this some of the emotional tone will calm down.
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