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    Looks for truth over dogma

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    I like to listen to others that share different beliefs than me. I try to respect those differences, but will also challenge those beliefs to sort out truth from dogma. I feel that people have often let religious dogma overshadow the basic message of Christ. I adhere to simple truths. Love God, love others, let God judge and worry about my own faults.

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  1. I don't know. It seems weird that a church claiming to be the church of Christ lies about the reason a mission president is being released. It also perpetuates the culture that men in authority do nothing wrong. Why couldn't the church leaders called a mission conference, tell the missionaries that the mission president was sent home because he betrayed his trust given to him in his position and was unworthy to continue in that calling. Why couldn't church leaders then said that those involved were not responsible for what happened and should be treated with nothing more than love and respect. This might have been the most valuable lesson these missionaries could have learned on their mission. Being called to a position does not mean that sin can not happen. They should trust God more than they trust church leaders. It is a lesson that might have completely changed my life when I thought I could trust my church leaders. Lying for the Lord never seems like a righteous concept that should be used. What kind of message does that send when eventually they find out the truth. Not only could they not trust their mission president, but now they can't trust the general authorities. So no. I can't understand why they would fabricate a cover story for what really happened.
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    The Demise of Scouting

    That has been my experience as well. I remember a young woman in our ward giving the most amazing tearful testimony of how she felt about the church and how true it was after coming back from girls camp. Within the year she married a non-member and never to my knowledge came back to church. Didn't see that happening. Growing up and attending scout camp every year along with all my other member friends was a great experience. Some were at an organized BSA camp and some were high adventure activities with just LDS troops. But after high school, most of them dropped out of the church. I was the only one of the group of about 10 boys to go on a mission. I am not discounting the value of such activities. I am just agreeing that it is no indication of future activity in the church.
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    The Demise of Scouting

    You bring up some good points. Especially I liked your perspective on single moms and absent fathers. It reminds me to pay special attention to those situations and do what I can to help provide a good role model for those boys and include them in activities I do with my kids. I am not discounting the value that scouts has played in a lot of boys lives. But I take the word of the BSA that this decision is based on demographics and ways of keeping a viable program for kids. If including girls in the scouting program stabilizes the finances of the scouting program and allows them to continue to fulfill their mission, then I don't begrudge them for that decision. Mostly I see such a doom and gloom among members on this board, not just about this issue, but others as well before they see if any of this is really going to have any affect on their children or not. Boys can still bond with other boys even if girls are around. I am confused about one thing. I thought the church announced that they were pulling out of the scouting program anyway. How is any of this relevant? Wouldn't the church run the cub scout program the way it wants anyway? Hasn't scouting integrated girls in the venture and explore program for years? Is this really such a big change? It seems like the church has done what it wanted to for years. Why all the worries all the sudden that the church would listen to scout headquarters on how to run the cub scout program now? For me, this announcement is more of a yawn. I doubt very much it will make much difference among LDS youth. Am I wrong?
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    The Demise of Scouting

    Oh Brother. Really? Read my post above. Some of you just don't like change of any kind. Well things do change. Things consolidate. Some disappear. Some rise up. Life is dynamic.
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    The Demise of Scouting

    What else is left? The vast majority of boys are not involved in the scouting program. Are you really suggesting that there is no way for the vast majority of boys to bind together as boys? Did you not have close boy friends growing up that were not in the scouting program? Maybe just boy friends you walked to school with? Do you have the opportunity to take your sons out camping along with their other boy friends? Or hunting if that is your interest? Or boating, or skiing, or rafting or to the gym with you or whatever activity you enjoy doing? Do you not see sports as a place boys can get a lot of companionship with other boys? 99% of those sports activities are still segregated by sex. Any father that is not providing opportunities for their son to interact with other males is missing out on a very important aspect of raising their son. The most important male your son needs to bond with is with his father. Passing that responsibility on to scouting and now blaming scouting for your son not bonding with other boys is a poor excuse. Kilindley, this is not directed specifically at you. It is to all those parents that think this is the end of their sons bonding with other boys. I only quoted your post because you asked the (in my opinion) absurd question, What else is left?
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    Watching a Bird...

    Sometimes we write a half of page condemning the choices of others in order to make our own choices look superior. We flutter and attack the glass, thinking we are making progress when in fact, no matter how much we attack others, it doesn't change the reality that there is still glass in front of us no matter how much fluttering we do. Attacking doesn't mean you are moving forward,
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    Prop 8

    What difference does that make? Her questions are valid whether she is Mormon or not. So are my questions. The pushing of this proposition has had a profound effect on the church and how it is viewed by outsiders. I was talking to my daughter a couple of weeks ago. She grew up in California, but now lives in Utah. I asked her what she missed the most about living in California. She said the diversity. It is something that I really value as well. I followed up her comment about how great it is to live in a place where it doesn't matter what race you are, what religion you are, and who you marry. She said, well almost. I asked her what she meant. She said that when people find out she is Mormon, they immediately assume that she hates gays and thinks they don't deserve to be treated equally. She has to convince them that she is not that kind of Mormon, and that not all Mormons feel the same way as the church. The center of those assumptions is Prop 8. Some also know that the church will not baptize children of gay parents. (they don't often know that baptism can come after they are 18 and if they disavow their parent's choice to marry.) That certainly reinforces the belief that church attitudes towards gays has not changed. And I guess that is all fine. The church can certainly teach what it wants to teach. I am just surprised when members don't like the consequences of those teachings and feel like they are the victims when people assume they share those same beliefs as the church they belong to.
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    Prop 8

    here What would you do? Just what would you do if a group, say the Catholic Church decided that Mormons should no longer have the right to marry. Would you say that you have every right to marry? That the constitution specifically states that Mormons should not be treated differently than any other citizen? That you can't target Mormons just. because they are Mormon. That the Catholic Church does not have the right to decide who can marry and who can't? That they may disagree with your right to marry, but they are crossing a huge line to think they can decide what citizens can marry and what ones can't. And what if the Catholic Church sent letters to every member of their congregation to give as much time and money to this campaign as they possibly can. What if church leaders broadcasted to each of their churches how the members were suppose to handle this campaign, what to say and how to attack the "Mormon issue". What if Catholics were standing on corners in your streets, knocking on doors in your neighborhoods, passing out flyers in your communities telling people that it was their moral right to prevent Mormons from marrying. And what if the Catholic Church took those millions of dollars they collected and broadcasted lies and misrepresentations of what would happen if the Mormons were allowed to continue to marry. Things like, if we allow Mormons to continue to marry, they will start teachings kintergarders that it is ok to be Mormon. Let's say the Catholic Church was successful in it's effort to write a new constitutional amendment preventing Mormons from marrying. Would you sit back the next day. and say "Oh well, I guess that is that". Or would you get out your paint brush, make signs and protest this incredible injustice perpetuated by the Catholic Church. Would you fight this vote with everything you had including all the way up to the Supreme Court. Shame on the Catholic Church for ever thinking they had the right to pour millions and marshal thousands to take away the civil rights of Mormons just because they thought Mormons are a small minority that can't stand up for themselves and fight back. In a perverse way Prop 8 galvanized the gay marriage movement not only in the United States, but world wide. It did more to sway the public on how wrong this issue is than any other act. For months after the passing of Prop 8, TV commentators had both groups on programs to shed sunlight on this issue. People saw the injustice of what the Mormon Church had done. It convinced people who previously didn't think it was their fight to make it their fight. By the time Prop 8 was finally ruled upon, even many Mormons who were standing on those corners realized the wrong the church had committed. And the church has paid and will continue to pay a heavy price for it's shameful roll in fighting to take away a minorities civil rights. What did they expect to happen?
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    Prop 8

    Survivor benefits are just a part of it. The bigger issue was the right to marry the person you love. It is about standing up for your civil rights. It is about being treated equally under the law just like every other American. Just because you are gay doesn't mean you give up your rights. The reason gays wanted to legally marry is all the same reason anyone wants to legally marry rather than just live together. I don't understand why that concept is so difficult for so many members of the church. No religion has the right to take away someone's civil rights any more than anyone has the right to force churches to marry someone they don't want to. The church would scream like a stuck pig if the government forced them to marry gays. Yet the reverse, mounting a substantial attack on someone else'scivil rights was not a problem. Yes the gay community and those that support their civil rights were furious with the church. They still are.
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    Church Statement on Medical Marijuana

    I was disagreeing with this comment. Sorry you didn't grasp what I was saying and why. I think not wasting more resources attempting to enforce the unenforceable is a valid position to have when it comes to some marijuana laws. I was giving my reasons why I feel it is a valid point to consider.
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    The Demise of Scouting

    From the article you linked
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    Church Statement on Medical Marijuana

    Bernard, I appreciate your posts. I think it is important to get a full picture of the ramifications of legalizing medical marijuana. But sometimes I think there are often overstating the information to make things appear they are worse than they are. Is marijuana addictive? I can be. So can many things that are legal. Alcohol, coffee, tobacco, ice cream, chocolate, soft drinks etc. So one of the questions one has to weigh is:How bad are the things you listed? How addictive? Like I said, I am not trying to pretend that marijuana can't be addictive. But look at the last line in your quote. These symptoms of withdrawal produce about the same amount of discomfort as withdrawing from tobacco. I appreciate you posting this information. I just don't want things overstated. I seem to be in the awkward position of defending a drug I don't have any interest in promoting or using. I just don't like fear being used to discount the medical benefits of marijuana. We have to look at the negatives as well as the positives. And most important, can marijuana be used as an alternative to current legal medications whose withdrawals are far worse than withdrawing from opioids.
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    Church Statement on Medical Marijuana

    I think it is unfortunate that marijuana so easily gets linked with hard drugs like cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine as you have done here. My experience is that those who use marijuana have no interest in harder drugs. The only thing linking them together is that they are all illegal. Marijuana is much closer to drinking alcohol. Just because someone drinks alcohol does not mean they have any interest in hard and very addictive drugs. Drug enforcement resources are always limited. I would much rather those resources go towards drugs that are much more addictive, harmful and destructive. I also favor getting marijuana out of the hands of dealers that often push harder drugs. Throwing someone in jail for using marijuana makes as much sense as throwing someone in jail for drinking alcohol. Some may favor that, but mostly it makes a heck of a lot of criminals and fills our jails/prisons with people who should not be there. When they come out the other end of that system, it usually doesn't end well.
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    Church Statement on Medical Marijuana

    I agree with you. And I can’t see why MJ users don’t use edibles and reduce their cancer risk. Impaired driving no matter how it happens, even lack of sleep is always an issue . I know I have driven when I was way too sleepy. I refuse to now. I would rather pull over and sleep until I feel more capable.
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    Church Statement on Medical Marijuana

    She was referring to edibles. When you eat something it is much more important to have the right dose since it takes about an hour to have any effect. When you smoke the reaction is much faster and you can gauge your reaction much more easily
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