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    Might be a mystery to an individual or a family or a culture, but plain and simple from Him. (I think the "mystery" analysis was created to explain the distortions or absence of doctrine that developed. We don't believe that there is anything in the Gospel that is unknowable inherently do we?)
  2. Sounds legit to me. There are temples where there was vandalism (and elsewhere on the internet where anonymous people claims to have vandalized in the process of working on a temple), and I've read in official sources that the construction contracts include such strict worker requirements.
  3. For some guy who couldn't identify a partner any other way, it beats not trying everything. As one of the women said, if it were to work, it beats having to tell our children that I meet on an app (paraphrased).
  4. Most parents personally deliver their kiddos to the MTC. I'd suggest that whatever the reason a parent might not be able to do that, they are free to request the tickets. The answer might be no, if financially is the sole criteria. No harm in asking.
  5. When the discipline is over, there is nothing left on the record. When someone is rebaptized after excommunication, the original baptism date appears on the record. Bishops can see notations (not related to discipline, but related to abuse and embezzlement of church funds, IOW need to protect others --- the actions not the reactions).
  6. The article I read said that church members, maybe on offical auspices, were part of a community outreach and support after the tragedy.
  7. Print what you wrote. Give a copy to the bishop and your ministering people and the EQP. Hand it out whenever you experience what you describe.
  8. There already is a law prohibiting the federal government for paying for abortions (the Hyde Amendment from 30 or so years ago). And I absolutely agree with that (though I'm not sure we could hire enough auditors to 100% assure that, and I would support government payment in cases of rape, incest, and life/mental health of the mother (the latter should include when the baby cannot live after birth --- don't recall if those exceptions are ).
  9. Posts here have misinterpreted the Church position. The policy doesn't "allow" abortions, or support abortion, or agree with abortion even in the extreme circumstances. It merely declines to take disciplinary action against a person in specific circumstances. That is fundamentally different, and well supported by tradition and doctrine. Absent revelation from God, that apparently no set of Church leaders has received, about when live begins, and/or about whether a mother must give birth even when the infant is not expected to live, or the mother is expected to die, replacing church leaders views of what clearly doctrinally is between the member and God, for the member's decision, is just not consistent with agency. It is not our leaders job to decide what is a personal decision. It IS absolutely the obligation of members to determine their path, and be sure it is consistent with His will. I find it entertaining (or maybe hypocritical) that it is the party that deplores overburdening government who urges government to control this decision. And I hope that if I were ever in that position, I would have the courage and faith and mental health to be able to carry the child to term. But I do not want my government deciding things we don't know scientifically or doctrinally. I think Roe v. Wade balances that well (and I think the science will come that viability is earlier than 20 weeks (currently the earliest surviving micropremie is 21 weeks plus 5 days, if I remember correctly), but no where near 8 weeks --- viability requires a lot more than a heartbeat).
  10. The Gospel incorporates all truth. And Heavenly Father's plan calls for every one of His children to be redeemed. There are a lot of people trying to live like God (whatever they call Him) wants them too. And there are people of every faith and no faith who are living various principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ even if they do not know they are. So it is also likely that the Holy Ghost is confirming that those principles are truth to a whole lot of people, even if they've never heard of the restored Church of Jesus Christ. What that restored Church has is NOT a lock on truth, but a lock on authority and required ordinances needed to return to Him, and exposure to current revelation by a Prophet of God ----- all of which is profoundly helpful and a blessing of immeasurable worth. So of course others who don't know more, believe that their faith is the one true. That is not bad, though obviously it is factually wrong and thus leads some astray or prevents their progression.
  11. When they say that, they are referring to the fact that Utah was the first state that approved non-discrimination law for LGBT+ in employment and housing (except for religious institutions). It remains one of only a handful now, five years or so later. There has been early research (reported at the time in the BYU Alumni mag --- it was done there, but I haven't been even able to find the article announcing it online with a diligent search) that found that younger males with multiple older brothers were more likely to be gay. If that is accurate, then there are more likely to be gay children in any family with more children. So probably more mormons with ssa, and catholics with ssa, and evangelicals with ssa, and people with partners and no access to birth control with ssa. I don't recall any discussion of transgender issues in the reporting when that law was passed. I think transgender shouldn't be any different than LGB+ in housing and employment. But I haven't yet seen any science that supports a transgender cause, and I have read a lot about the damage peer/parent/society can do to encourage transgender thought in Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria. It greatly matters to me that parents or therapists are neither vilified nor lose parental rights/professional licenses because they refuse to go along with changing a persons biological sex.
  12. I vote with your dh (unless your wife has other kinds of trust issues, and you have promised her you wouldn't do it). I jumped once. Scardest I've ever been. Would not do it again. And it was absoultely unforgettably, wonderful.
  13. Without regard to this case, people have every right to be outraged when an entity's first response to a sexual assault claim is to attack the person who makes the allegations, and, and everyone should be horrified at the idea that distributing the dossier was honorable ----- you'll recall that it was NOT the church/church attys who leaked it, they shared it with bishop's attorney who was also bishop's son, who did what attorneys generally would not do: publish it. Even if Denson had a record of fraud, that doesn't mean the assault didn't happen. Indeed Bishop admitted to inappropriate behavior. (It is reasonable that prior bad acts suggest a kind of caution. But that caution has to include knowledge that many sexual assault perps choose broken victims because they are broken and perps can avoid accountability by doing so.)
  14. Remember that Joseph Bishop admitted in the tape that he behaved inappropriately with Ms. Denson (without admitting rape). Whatever else Ms. Denson has or hasn't done, including lately with Mike Norton as a full and willing participant and enabler, it is Norton who should be accepting his own ownership for helping to create and encourage whatever happened that started him off on the tirade.
  15. I'd figure out what last name first initial would result in about even numbers, and invite those A-M (or whatever it is) to attend one class and N-Z to attend the other. And I'd regularly remind them of the designations, without once controlling any individual's choice. (Of course this would depend on whether I got spiritual confirmation, and the rooms were both the same size.)
  16. CBD, to the extent that it is medically prescribed and taken as directed, is not against the word of wisdom. But I wouldn't take it until I'd tried everything that is more traditional without resolving the medical issue. And I wouldn't be taking it until or unless there was sufficient information to establish the therapeutic dose.
  17. It is not at all unusual for people in the church to think they know better at something than a teacher. It is pretty strange that a teacher makes the statement you described instead of just deleting the emails and filtering out future ones. And your description is hilarious anyway. Maybe the Holy Ghost tried to inspire the teacher to get the material, and when the teacher arrogantly refused to consider it, sent it to him indirectly. Wouldn't be the first time a know it all forced those trying to do the work to do it differently than they do it with humble people. Of course a more charitable assumption might be that the teacher already feels inadequate or so squeezed for time that he can't think straight, and getting the emails makes things harder for him in a way that has made him seek relief. I suspect that when we get input we don't want or need, we'll get further in life if we at least consider whether it would be useful to our enterprise, and if not then ignore it without shaming or judging the person who sent it.
  18. My guess is that when it first happens, people aren't sure if they're crazy and don't want to tell anyone who might think they are?
  19. It is their home, and if all parties in their home know, then the question is whether they can do it without posting a sign. Did you ask the person where the recording was so you could retrieve it? Yup, it is controlling (and if the others in the family don't agree), then possibly abusive too. I do not know of any case that discussed recording in one's own home that tangentially recorded people who came to it. . Can you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in someone else's home? IInterestingly, this sounds more like a wiretapping case: the person recording isn't there. That may be unlawful (apart from whether a recording consent law can be enforced inside someone's home against the homeowners). You can find out if you make a police report.
  20. Maybe they are simply uninformed as to the Church's position on the matter (and maybe if they are that age, they haven't actually had to consider the matter in practical terms yet.
  21. In the early days of garments, they were worn only in the temple. Because it was rare for people to bath more than once a week, they also bathed when they arrived in the temple and then put garments on (when they started doing washing and anointing --- did you know that Black Elijah Able was not just ordained an elder, but also received the washing and anointing: he was in Cinncinati when endowments began and then JS died --- and then later endowments). I'd imagine that people shared what garments there were too, as it was certainly not as easy then to make/preserve white clothes as it might be now (and it isn't always easy today either), and there weren't a lot of people sewing them either. I am not one, though who thinks that garments are needlessly worn throughout a life, outside of the temple. They do make it easy to remember covenants. I would imagine though in our worldwide church, that affording and wearing garments and answering the TR questions about garments as a condition of TR though, does limit temple attendance among faithful members in many places. So eliminating that as a condition of Temple attendance in the TR interview would make some sense.
  22. While it is true that confirmation bias exists, I have had too many experiences in which I studied things out, and sought confirmation only to have the spirit to tell me He needed me to do something I really didn't want to do, to think that spiritual impressions are just confirmation bias.
  23. She's been saying that for several months now (though not the details you mention). And "history of false allegations" is not the same thing as "unfounded". It is not uncommon for trauma survivors to have trouble with flashbacks and to not be believed when they report actual events.
  24. A couple of years ago, the church asked members to contribute time and resources to the refugee issue on their own, and not under official church dispensation. Our stake has been probably at least 50% of the support our refugee agency has received in our community.
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