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  1. My take is: Apostles have all the keys (so they can pass them on) but do they have the right to exercise keys of judgment? Stake Presidents obviously must have disciplinary council key of judgment for priesthood holders, but are they within those considered "confesssional" (I'm thinking that only bishops are in that position and the bishop is the one who hands off priesthood holders for the council.) But bishops are the only ones with the right to judge as shepherd and hear confessions on behalf of the Lord. And if you would post the scriptures or handbook info that supports whatever your response is, that would be helpful. (And kudos to the bishop who specifically told his congregation this: members need to remind themselves of this regularly.)
  2. They may be used for the paintings or other finish work.
  3. I wouldn't expect to hear that at church. I have heard it in situations where people are seeking or giving help to someone struggling.
  4. I think rest is the comfort of knowing that when we do our personal best and quickly repent, we are then and forever perfect in Christ (I use "square with God") which means I don't have to do anything except doing my personal best (which gets better as I do it in most areas naturally) and quickly repenting and keep doing what I'm doing, and trusting Him. I recommend "Believing Christ" by Stephen Robinson "Bonds that Make us Free" by C. Terry Warner "When Your Prayers Seem Unanswered" by Wilcox and the lyrics to How Firm a Foundation
  5. That's not how it works in my lived experience. It is that members wrestle with challenging things, with study and faith, and seeking more information, and seek their own confirmation from God when church leaders teach or suggest or counsel things. And sometimes they never get that confirmation, and sometimes it takes a long time.
  6. So where would I find this definition of exaltation in the scriptures or otherwise?
  7. There will be single people in the celestial kingdom, and all of them somehow will be included in the government of eternity which is establish by family. How can you claim your statement above as being church doctrine? (And I quoted this out of CV75 quoting california boy. So these aren't CV75's words.)
  8. I've heard that depiction a lot online. And I have occasionally heard it in conference talks. It has never, however, been the lived experience of how the some 20 congregations I've been in over my lifetime talked or acted. And I don't think that is just because I've known about the BY quote made several years after Mountain Meadows: I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are lead by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purpose of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders did they know for themselves by the revelations of Jesus that they are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves whether their leaders are walking in the path the lord dictates or not. This has been my exhortation continually. https://www.sixteensmallstones.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Deseret-News-Feb-12-1862-257.pdf
  9. I keep remembering what the gay activist who reactivated and became exec secretary in his ward (don't know how he's doing today). He said that the male fellowship and hugs he got in his service was enough to handle his needs and make it possible for him to live the gospel (paraphrased, of course). I wish we could not be afraid to hug and touch those of our same sex who we think are gay (not suggesting we hug without consent ether). I wish we could not be afraid to pal around, invite into our social circles those who we think or know are gay (and, frankly those who are just weird to us). All people need social connection and human touch. And sometimes lots of it. Our society seems to make that touch all about sex for adults and not even the little bit about sex for kids. There are many many people in this world trading sex for affection, even amongst single adults who know they should be living the Law of Chastity. And it wouldn't hurt at all if we all wore rainbow lapel pins to church.
  10. I am not sure it is for you or me to declare that masturbation is necessarily outside the proper scope of a bishop's inquiry. The same goes with pornography. The handbook explicitly says that there cannot be a disciplinary council for porn or "self abuse". (And last year's youth guidelines tell bishops to just ask Do you keep the Law of Chastity question. If they were serious sins (and I don't think either are sins at all since they are are about self-control not about violating laws of God) they'd be on the list of possible or mandatory. Yes, there has been a lot of angst about human sexuality, because exercising it outside the bounds God has set risks actual harm to innocents and changes lives. And it is hard to dispute how much harm porn has done to people and society. But is is parents job to teach what the Law of Chastity is, and as I read the guidelines bishops are NOT allowed to ask about porn or "self abuse" (if the member came to them for help, then bishop clearly can offer help.) (Bishops would have a legitimate reason to ask prospective missionaries about "self abuse" as they have to protect other missionaries who have no control over who they are assigned as companions to.) Don't see much value in calling names in civil discourse. But I also do not agree at all with what Bro. Young is doing. I think he unfairly and inaccurately maligns church leaders in a way that is defamatory. This is just not right, and, frankly, beneath you. It's kind of like the case death penalty case that was overturned because the prosecutor argued that the defendant's tattoos warranted him to die for the crime. I don't know Sam, but if I were in his shoes I'd have to be intense because how else could I live with the choices I'd made.
  11. Sam Young collected many stories, some vetted, that reported being asked as a child and young adult details about sexual feelings and actions. If any of them are accurate, they are just plain wrong. What the church calls "Self-abuse" is a matter of not yet developing spirit to be in full control of mortal body with all its parts and passions (much like yelling at others is the same). And bishops have no legitimate need to ask any details beyond have you committed fornication or adultery and maybe whether it is more than once and to some extent whether it was fully consensual (same age, same experience, no social coercion, no mood altering substances. (The youth guidelines expressly limit a bishop to asking if you keep the Law of Chastity, and directing youth back to parent if they don't act like they know what it means, so bishops cannot use the excuse that kids asked for an explanation now.) Unless it has been changed recently, the handbook still uses the term "forcible rape", which could lead some people/bishops to think that anyone without bruises and physical damage hasn't actually been raped and therefore the member needs to be disciplined ---- there are lots of report of this kind of thing, and if they are being trained otherwise and consistent with what we know about how rape effects survivors, it certainly hasn't been disclosed so church members know about it. My own take is that the largest need in the church is to train parents to be fully knowledgeable about human intimacy and the doctrine (read/view "Of Souls Symbols and Sacraments) and make sure their children know all about sexuality in context of those covenants. And that they expressly tell their children that if they ever feel uncomfortable in any way with what a church leader or member (or a school teacher, coach, their boss, etc.) does or asks them to do, they have agency to get up and walk away, and tell parents immediately, who will help them go through the process of confirming with the spirit, or not whatever the leader asked or requested. That getting up and walking out is not a sign of rebellion, but a sign of confidence that they too can get personal revelation. And that if they freeze, that is okay too, some do that in stress and if they will tell parent as soon as they can, parent will help. And I think it is really counterproductive to teach sex ed without sharing that it absolutely feels good and they will likely want to use it, and that is nothing they need to feel surprised or ashamed about: if they've just been taught that sex or its expression is BAD, then when they learn it isn't, it is a complete "they lied about this, so what else are they lying about". And Sam Young announced these mountain treks near the first of the year and invited everyone to climb a mountain, a top of a driveway and record doing so to add to his list as a movement. Bottom line: Sam's over the top. But the restored church may have room to do better. And there are a number of members/former members who feel like they haven't been dealt with as Jesus would.
  12. I just think that some people think that single adults in child friendly places may be scary. And since Disney (and similar) cost a whole heck of a lot of money, and are a really huge logistical challenge, and are in crowds, and hot, and waiting, they aren't exactly places in which people feel relaxed and at peace. Perfect recipe for over reaction, grumpiness, and the like. Nothing much to do with millennials themselves.
  13. The only reason they do handcarts for the trek is that they are easier/cheaper to build/store/use (because no livestock is involveed, which would none the less provide a new dimension to what occurs) and a little less likely to carve ruts in environmentally destructive ways. I'm not sure why we just don't acknowledge that the current treks are an amalgamation of the experiences of pioneers, in a way that is easiest to recreate those experiences.
  14. No. But just like counselors, if the bishop learns that, he should act to protect those who are at risk (which he can also do in cases in which a perp confesses). (Like the recent MP did when he sent the missionary who'd been soliciting pictures before his mission, without telling mom anything about what kiddo had told him.)
  15. Bishops should NEVER EVER report or be legally required to report what they are told by a perp in confessional. The only thing that (and forcing counselors to report confessions by their clients) does is to prevent any perp who seeks help from any and all opportunities to get it.
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