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Maestrophil

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  1. Thanks, Teancum. I feel the only person for whom I can 'know' anything is myself. And even then, I don't know much. 😛.
  2. And thank goodness we have our right to choose and to be judged by a perfect judge one day! 🙂.
  3. I get it - that is why I added the part about celibacy - I could not have that kind of a meaningful relationship with a man, I could not see myself bonding in the same intimate way, sex or not, with a man. That is why I said, if I did have to choose to 'fake it' in a relationship like that, I would likely chose to remain celibate and sexless until I died and discovered how the Atonement would remedy things on the other side.
  4. Mostly because I believe Christ when he said save for adultery divorce is not good. Also, because I just think we humans are too obsessed with sexual needs in general and while I find sexuality as a wonderful gift from God in the right context, I don't feel it as a right - but rather a privilege. But I definitely don't claim to know the actual will of God on the matter - far beyond my pay grade! 🙂
  5. The relationship can mean everything to me even without sex - what if my wife got in an accident that prohibited her form ever being able to have sex - do I feel I would deserve to leave her? - of course not. Sex is obviously much more important to you than me - you do you as well.
  6. A sexless relationship with my wife and/or a life of celibacy with no sexual intimacy with any person of any gender. If we are trying to relate it to the challenge of SSA - then if I were in that hypothetical situation (having to marry a man or remain celibate) I would be prepared to remain celibate until I learn my fate on the other side of the veil. I can sacrifice my sexuality on the altar if I am required to.
  7. Interesting - shows how different we all are - it wouldn't be the end of the world for me.
  8. I admit I have some strong feelings about this due to a complicated and hurtful past with sexuality - but, I get upset when I hear members of the church place so much emphasis on the importance of being sexually fulfilled - I think this is a more modern view, and it does not align with what I feel God has always asked of His people - to be willing to sacrifice everything. I was always prepared to go a whole life without sexual fulfillment if that was required of me. Now I understand proponents of SS relationships will say that is not the same for me because I at least had the 'possibility' of one day being sexually fulfilled. But even when I entered into a marriage plagued with issues, I still was prepared to stay in it for eternity - until my -ex decided to seek fulfillment elsewhere. I feel we are giving too much to fulfilling an appetite - love can exist without sexual fulfillment.
  9. My grandpa told me not to ever order hot chocolate at a restaurant because it would be in the same mug as coffee and people would not know that I wasn't drinking coffee. I always thought it was dumb - if I am drinking water in a glass, could that be vodka?
  10. I'm just now getting more into hearing all of it - and even though he didn't 'go all the way" he did make out with his now wife WHILE he was a missionary, and WHILE she was 16! Yikes!
  11. He said the Stake/Church compelled him to take action he was not comfortable with as far as requiring discipline Yes - he said he believed that he was called by God, so that persuaded him to double down so to speak on his faith.
  12. I didn't listen to the whole thing yet - but his items he said he was asked to do as a bishop seemed to revolve around how people were to confess sexual sins to him, and the guilt they had to endure because of it as well as the lack or grace offered in his opinion, so that was interesting. Also - I believe that he insinuates that somewhere in teh long interview he discusses that he and his wife had morality problems that he never felt free/forgiven for - and talks about what his past negative church experiences are - plus he had been struggling with his faith pre-being called to be a bishop, and his wife as well.
  13. He was just on Mormon Stories - and answered a lot of questions.
  14. Thank you - yes, I think there needs to be some clarification form the leaders pretty quickly IMO. I have landed on the fact that allowing someone to be baptized while being a transitioned person is still in the gray area because baptism isn't a gender specific covenant - and the temple isn't currently an option because it IS gender specific. BUT, it does open up a discussion about the 'eternal nature' of gender.
  15. No mention of how to handle a transitioned person who had transitioned prior to baptism on the church records after baptism - so no direct violation there. 🙂 Gender is eternal is what was preached as doctrine in the past few conferences - yet if the baptized person was born male and now is on the records of the church as female, is that not conceding that gender can change?
  16. I guess I will have to peruse the policy better to see - and if it doesn't clarify what gender they should be on records once baptized, then I suppose no official policy has been violated - though a 'doctrine' or gender being fixed and eternal seems to be contradicted.
  17. I didn't get activism from Jacob - I thought he was pretty clear that he supports the brethren. I think, like me, he would like a clarification from them as to how to reconcile these apparently contradictory messages coming from the top. And I agree totally - you expressed my sentiments - are we at the 1976 part of the 1978 priesthood ban reversal in therms of sea change in LGBTQ+ doctrine and policy? I don't know, but in this quick paced internet world, I think it will be harmful if there isn't a speedy resolution or direction from the top.
  18. I am sorry your child was bullied - so unacceptable. I commend you for your grace in that situation.
  19. That is exactly my only point of confusion too. If they had baptized the person in question and had them on record as a male, I would not be even the slightest bit puzzled, but the fact that this person is apparently on record as female gives me pause - especially in light of the messaging from the Q15 about the eternal nature of gender and the family proclamation. If the Prophet ever does approve SSM, or gender reversals, or priesthood for women etc. I suppose I need to be ready to seek spiritual confirmation to fall in line, but right now, I feel like I am getting mixed messaging.
  20. I watched this video and resonated with the confusion of The Church approving the baptism of a trans woman as a woman of record etc. Those actions conflict in my mind with messages of eternal gender and mariage from the pulpit. Are LGBTQ+ folks the current version of what blacks and the priesthood were pre- 1978? Is the proclamation wrong? Not sure how to feel
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