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  1. Our abuser will be in their 90's when released, no probation under Jessica's law. He denies even now what he did, even though it is all on video tape - he is convinced there is nothing wrong with what he did. It is a mental insanity, and those who have this disease need to be put away for life for the safety of children. Laymen in the church have no idea what they are dealing with - they will believe the abuser's lies, believe nothing wrong happened, victim shaming, victim blaming, ignore, laugh at, roll their eyes at - allow abuse to continue for year after year after year - because until you are in it, you don't understand it.
  2. I am S.Y. #823. The LDS curch did NOTHING to help anyone in my family. The abuse went on years and years during which time the abuser was "called by god??" to serve in the bishpric??? was serving with kids in boy scouts when arrested??? The case was so badly handled by the church, that I have left. The offender should have to move to a new ward - they should have a restraining order to be no where near the victim. The new ward's members should also all be notified to keep kids in the new ward safe. Pedophiles do not change. It would be akin to forgiving someone of having cancer, or forgiving them of being mentally insane - it is a physical condition, a disease. No therapy was offered to anyone in our family. Over the last 2 years, I met with my bishop twice. Once where I was told "sorry, I have no experience with that", and the second time where I turned in my TR. No help. No support. Nothing. I asked for a support group and was told that regular church meetings would be good enough for me. Strange - the LDs church offers "addiction recovery" support groups for addicts, yet the support for victims is non-existent. This is my current experience. Read through S.Y.'s stories.... hundreds of stories. too may stories.
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    All-you-can-eat religion, Buffet style

    I have told a few people that I am "half" in. I believe approximately half of our spiritual journey takes place within a community and half of it is an individual and very personal journey. I am "all" in with respect to taking the journey, but am also taking personal responsibility for myself, and not relying on anyone else's arms of flesh to get me through. Better to rely on your own two feet, not put all your eggs into any particular religious group, think for yourself, search, ponder, experience, honestly evaluate fruits.
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    Thanks for sharing, I agree!
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    The primary song "Follow the prophet" very much bothers me. Our devotion should be to principles of goodness, not to human leaders. Everyone should be encouraged to think - research responsibly - question - I do not see this happening in the LDS church.
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    thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
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    Where did Jesus' most famous sermons take place? Sermon on the mount - where did he like to pray? In the hills - John the Baptist etc. - these guys did not hang out in church buildings.
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    there was that organized scribes and pharisees group - and then there was that other group - who like hiking in the hills more than attending the local church meetings...
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    He called imperfect prophets, apostles etc. He called people who could not walk on water, he called sinners - Luke 5 "Lord, don't come near me! I am a sinner." ... I've always thought the best leaders are not really leaders - the best teachers do not really teach - do not give students the solution manual to copy down answers. The point is not to create a bunch of dependent followers - not fill a bucket, but light a fire. Not give a man a fish, let the man go out and catch his own fish - no one would be forced to find their own answers, get their own fish, find their own testimony - if leaders were not horribly flawed and un-trustworthy. The Lord's ways are not the world's ways - the world puts qualified competent educated people at the helm that you can trust and lean on. God puts uneducated, adulterous, untrustworthy people at the helm to force everyone to catch their own fish it seems. ... what is the best way to teach someone to call no one your master? - give someone a horrible abusive master - and you learn the lessons well enough - not to call anyone your master.
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    so... he put some into the evangelical church, and some in the Baptist church, and some into universities and schools with teachers?
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    In context, it is more than gender neutrality (though it includes that as well). Yes - we are all brothers and sisters, there should be no other title than "brother and sister" - no one should be above the other... call no one your father - (Pope / papa / father?) no bishops, no reverends, no titles other than brother and sister - all are alike, no one better than any other. 7 and the salutations in the marketplaces, and to be called of men, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your teacher, and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, even he who is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled; No bishops, no presidents, no masters, no teachers, no rabbi's - no hierarchy. We are all just brothers and sisters to one another, and all need to go directly to Jesus and God.
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    "You are all brothers. Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father—the one in heaven" (Matthew 23:8-9) "Whoever does the will of God is My brother and sister and mother.” (Mark 3:35) → "father" is not included as part of the Savior's spiritual family. To another he said, “Follow me.” But he said, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” But Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead; but as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” - (Luke 9:59-60) - again, disregard for father figure. "I have come to set a man against his father" (Matthew 10:35) (not mother) encouragement to reject paternal authority. “fathers” are among those to be left behind; “fathers” are not included in the new kinship to which the disciples aspire. The old family included a patriarchal father; the new one does not, since God is the only Father.” - Fiorenza Just interesting.
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    There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. - Galatians 3:28 reading a little Elisabeth Schüssler Fiorenza this morning. "You are all brothers. Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father—the one in heaven" (Matthew 23:8-9) "I have come to set a man against his father" (Matthew 10:35).. In their analysis of Mark 10:29–30, Osiek and Balch conclude, “The old family included a patriarchal father; the new one does not, since God is the only Father.” Comments?
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    So tithing goes to the church, rather than to "the least of these". ... Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, `even' these least, ye did it unto me. → giving to the poor = giving to Jesus. Feeding those who are starving, taking care of those in 3rd world countries, those are the "least of these" Paying for rich people's church buildings, temples, living expenses for prophets etc. → most LDS members are not "the least of these". Does not feel like giving $ to poor people, does not feel like you are donating it to Jesus. Can someone explain how 100% of tithing goes to the "least" of those currently alive on earth?
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    Recording meetings and Sunday school

    My parents are not LDS - they do hold religious study groups though, in which half show up and half call in. It works well for them.