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  1. This wasn’t the point I was making. Referring to these essays as “Dehlin’s essays” is equivalent to referring to the church essays as “President Monson’s essays”. Anyways, this really isn’t important to the OP.
  2. Once again, the same criticism could be applied to the Church essays. IMO, it's not a big deal either way, I just feel it's more accurate to refer to them as "Mormon Stories Essays" as Dehlin has stated from the beginning they were not authored by him, but rather an "amateur historian". That being said, as John receives feedback on potential inaccuracies in the essays, it then becomes his responsibility to update accordingly.
  3. Wouldn't it be more accurate to refer to it as the "Mormon Stories Essays"? After all, we don't refer to the Church essays as "Monson's Essays" even though he likely commissioned and approved them. It should be noted that the Mormon Stories website has this to say regarding the essays: Also, when John first introduced the essays on his podcast, he reiterated this point by mentioning they were drafted by an amateur historian and were essentially a work in progress and therefore needed the help of his listeners for feedback on tone, content, and sources. John has now apparently received some feedback, lets see what he does with it.
  4. I wonder how many believing LDS here are disappointed with the Church’s response? While I understand that many are unhappy with the phrase “get your own planet”, it seems like this would have been an excellent opportunity for the Church to clarify the doctrine. In my experience, the belief that we can become gods and create worlds without number is widely held among the general membership and has been taught by Church leaders from the beginning. Unfortunatley, I think your average reader would come to the opposite conclusion based on the Newsroom response.
  5. I thought of this as well, but the idea that apostles and prophets need decades of church leadership experience seems to be a modern notion. I realize we live in a different world, however throughout the scriptures and even the modern church we see examples of apostles and prophets who were called without decades of leadership experience. I have a good friend who was called as a bishop a couple of years ago in a well established Utah ward. This friend is very devout and would do anything for the church, however he recently confided in me that when called, he was so upset he initially tried to turn it down, but ultimately accepted after some convincing from the SP. Both him and his wife were experiencing significant health issues, dealing with the recent and unexpected death of a parent, a struggling business they owned, and raising four small children. After recounting a number of horror stories, I expected him to say that after a rough beginning he now loves his calling and couldn’t imagine doing anything else, but instead while things have improved, he still feels like he’s treading water and wonders if he’ll make it. I’m left wondering, is it worth the toll taken on these men and their families when there are often so many other older men that could truly dedicate their time and experience to the calling?
  6. We recently attended my in-law’s ward in Orem, Utah and I noticed the bishop was in his mid-thirties with four small children. This isn’t too unusual, however approximately 80% of the ward consisted of retirees with the remaining 20% comprised of newlyweds and a few families. Growing up in the 80s and 90s all of my bishops were in the 45-55 year old range, however since then they have all been in the 35-45 year old range (except for the student wards I attended). It seems that when possible, a retired priesthood holder (or at a minimum one with grown children) would make the ideal bishop. It would allow the bishop to have the time needed to dedicate to the calling, decades of additional church service experience, while not being a burden for those families with young children. I realize my experience is anecdotal, however have any of you noticed bishops getting called at a younger age over the last couple of decades? Is there any scriptural support or have the brethren ever stated why bishops are called at a reletively young age?
  7. Yes, the Trib covered the story yesterday (I believe they were the first, but don’t hold me to that). I agree, this was done in poor taste and he would likely never pull a similar stunt if the predominant religion were Judiasm or Islam. Disappointing, especially since he was so great on Arrested Development.
  8. Come on Scott, linger lingers are great! This is literally the first time I’ve heard someone complain about them. It’s like complaining about puppies or chocolate...or chocolate puppies?
  9. To be fair, it’s pretty easy to not segregate your church into black and white congregations when it would have been imposssible to do so (prior to the ban).
  10. I’m not familiar with the site, but at the top of the page it states the site is satirical. Also, the disclaimer at the bottom states that everything is made up.
  11. This argument seems to get brought up a lot, but I don’t find it persuasive. Through generations of intermarriage, you would expect to find a high proportion of members (especially those living in the West) to have some polygamy in their heritage, even if it were just two out of their 10 possible ancestors. What If a greater number of people in your classroom scenario raised their hands if they had an ancestoral line that never practiced polygamy (assuming both lines traced back to early Mormonism)? Would that be evidence that monogamous marriages produced more righteous offspring?
  12. Agreed, I think the Tribune does a good job for the most part on taking a balanced approach to reporting stories about the church. The comment section on the other hand is generally a cesspool, view at your own risk...
  13. Why does it have to be a “matter of race-based nose counting” or political correctness? Why can’t it be a matter of statistical improbility? Think about it, in the 175 year history of the church every single apostle and prophet has been a white male. Even taking into account the church’s predominantly white demographics, statistically speaking one would expect at least some non-white apostles over its history. Now if one accepts that race may have played a role when when choosing these leaders (either via God or the Q15), well then that would solve our statistical conundrum.
  14. Wasn't this before Catholic Church and BSA scandals? It's my understanding that a lot of the controls we see in place today (e.g. A bishop must call the hotline after any confession / reporting of abuse) were a result of systemic abuse coverups that we're exposed in the 90s and 2000s. Perhaps Asay was involved in a coverup or more likely it could have been that he simply didn't believe the woman (just like the two singles ward bishops). In other words, the Church appears to have been handling abuse just like most other large institutions were at the time. Of course, if you're claiming to be God's one true church, then I'm not sure the hey-everybody-else-was-doing-it excuse really works.
  15. It's a Christmas miracle, his memory returned! Surprise, surprise, it turns out he was really the victim after all of these years.
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