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Hamba Tuhan

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  1. Count me in! As several sections of the Book of Mormon make clear, God knows how to handle things when a rising generation loses its willingness to listen to Him. In this case, we have plenty of faithful YSA here who know how to obtain revelation and are prepared to be the future of the Church if yours aren't.
  2. Because he had already been paid a large sum of money for his performance pre-mission. Because he had been told he would be re-signed post-mission if he could still perform. Because he had the complete support of his family and had already achieved fame in the national press and because he had the adulation of the Latter-day Saints here. Many of our boys leave on missions wearing clothes ward members have donated or bought for them. Some of our boys leave without the blessings of their families. Almost none of them know what they'll be returning to. They are nobodies despite all these sacrifices.
  3. I will be forever grateful when one of our nation's celebrity sportsmen/missionaries visited our stake for a fireside and insisted that he was giving up far less than the average missionary who serves.
  4. Having twice served in the bishopric of my ward, the second time as first counsellor to a bishop whose academic position meant he was frequently away from his congregation, I can assure you that there are numerous people in my ward who are glad that the conversations they've had with me are as confidential as those they have had with doctors and even spouses. It is my honour to be so trusted. All last week, I felt impressed to check on a sister in our ward, but I didn't know what to say, so I let it slip till yesterday at church. When I saw her in the pew, I knew I had to approach her, so I did after sacrament meeting, confessing my earlier failure to follow an impression and asking if she was OK. Her response: 'If I answer that question here, I'll cry, and I don't want to do that'. I then asked if she wanted me to visit in the afternoon. 'Yes'. I was there for 2.5 hours yesterday with her and her two boys. As a bishopric counsellor, I had been intimately involved in the dizzyingly ugly events that culminated in a divorce from her husband: adultery of the more shocking-than-standard variety. As I was leaving yesterday, she thanked me for being the one person in the ward she doesn't have to put on a front for. I told her I was happy to be of service and reminded her that we had already been through heaven and hell together and that I'd seen her at her 'worst'. She acknowledged that fact and said it was why she can still trust and talk to me. Both boys thanked me as well. The younger said, 'It was so good that you came!' When I left, all three individuals were better than when I'd arrived. What a tragedy if they couldn't access the support they desire! (Even if it has to come in the woefully imperfect form of me ...)
  5. I don’t want that to be the case! As an atheist, what relevant experience do you have with hearing the voice of God?
  6. No, it's not. You're talking theory, and I have years of lived experience. I could easily fill a few dozen pages of this thread with personal experiences, family experiences, Church council experiences, and so forth. God is real, revelation is real, and the only way to get the outcome you want is if the women you would put in charge were to refuse to listen to God in order to impose their own agendas. Both men and women in the Church sometimes do that, and the results are always disastrous.
  7. The great secret -- and therefore disappointment! -- is that women who listen to God are just like men who listen to God in their leadership responsibilities. The nature of the discussion beforehand would almost certainly look and sound different, but at the end of the day, there would be no change. Those who advance these notions, it seems to be, must not have experienced the amount of correction through revelation that I have. I no longer harbour any pretensions that my input into decision-making is anything more than helping to create an environment where, in the end, God can reveal His will. Overall this conversation reminds me so much of those 'progressive Mormons' who hang their hopes on Elder Uchtdorf someday taking the reins of the Church and changing everything to suit them because (a) they fantasise that he's secretly just like them and (b) imposing their own agendas on the Church is precisely what they would do given the chance.
  8. Precisely! But the best part is that, even if the person in question denies the label, the accuser can just use that as further evidence in favour. There is simply no way to respond to such an accusation. It's brilliant!
  9. That's precisely what someone who's been groomed not to listen to women would say.
  10. Equability = an inability to be disturbed. Considering how disturbed many of the posters in this thread appear to be, I suspect this is not what you meant ...
  11. If you read the question after the quote, it's clear that those who compiled the manual understood this to be a reference to the Father: 'What do you learn from Joseph Smith’s statement about Heavenly Father’s desires for us?' But as @Jane_Doe already noted, it doesn't really matter because of the oneness of the Father and the Son. And in fact, this quote occurs in a section bearing the title 'Jehovah excels us in all things'. The premortal Christ was as invested in our exaltation as the Father was and, like the Father, was 'more intelligent' than the rest of us combined. @Jane_Doe is again right. 'This is speculation on speculation on speculation territory'. My honest answer to your question, based on personal opinion, would be yes.
  12. To be honest, I would be deeply concerned about the lack of women's voices in many leadership councils except for the fact that I have repeatedly watched good men with strong opinions shut up and listen to God instead. Like everything else in the Church, this isn't inevitable, but it's happened more than it hasn't in my experience, and I think it's the only thing that spares us. Women, girls and boys who preside would be wise to learn this skill too.
  13. Understood, though the ram is in the thicket in both scenarios, as a rule. And I genuinely believe that any differences are of degree and not type.
  14. I'm with you. My mum told me repeatedly that my mission nearly killed her. I used to think she was exaggerating, but I realise now she wasn't, having gone through this experience with so many families in our ward. My first young man to serve was opposed by his family right up until he left, but they repented afterwards. As a counsellor in the bishopric, I would visit the dad every Monday after work just to check on him. He's a big, tough man (mechanic by profession, rugby mad), but most weeks he would weep on my shoulder. 'I had no idea how much I would miss him'. One of the things I ask our missionaries when they are transferred is to remember to thank their parents when they go home. I figure the missionaries, despite all the ups and downs, are mostly having the times of their lives, but their parents are mostly just missing them deeply. Placing children upon the altar didn't end with Abraham ...
  15. If you consider that we just dedicated a House of the Lord in a nation where recent violence has displaced 4.5 million people, it seems quite miraculous. I think you're right. And someday we will probably renovate the Kinshasa Temple -- as we did the Friberg Temple -- in the midst of building several new ones in the the nation (and quite possibly across the river in Brazzaville). The Lord knows how to play the long game. I'm the one who is impatient!
  16. Yes, you can read more about it here. The teacher has control of that. Units can be opened for a few hours or a few days. Currently, our teacher opens them for two days to give reasonable flexibility.* One day per week, there is to be a face-to-face class, however, which can be in person or online. Ours is online. ----- * I have elsewhere described some of the difficulties we have with early-morning seminary: 'Where I live now, we have close to a dozen high schools in each ward because, unlike what I've seen in America, we prefer many small schools instead of fewer large ones. Not all of these schools even start at the same time. In addition, compulsory education ends after year 10. At that point, the law requires young people to (a) go to work, (b) enrol in an apprenticeship for a trade, or (c) continue their formal schooling at a secondary college (years 11 and 12). These latter are separate to our high schools and often have a come-and-go approach to the school day. A 15-year-old who has finished high school and is working might work the evening shift as a shop assistant in a supermarket and therefore not get home till after midnight. Another youth of the same age in the same ward might begin his or her apprenticeship in carpentry on a construction site each morning at 6:30am. Another youth of the same age in the same ward might attend a college that expects students to begin each day at 9am. Another youth of the same age in the same ward might attend a college where his or her classes are scattered throughout the day, with the earliest one at 10:30am on Tuesdays and Thursdays, at 9:30am on Mondays and Wednesdays and at noon on Fridays'.
  17. Sorry, my fault for using an ambiguous contraction: in this case, 'you're' = 'you are', not 'you were'.
  18. One more reason we can be grateful you're thoroughly unelectable.
  19. Our stake has been given the go-ahead to phase out early-morning seminary altogether and replace it with online seminary. We already have an online class/teacher and about 20 students, and it's working very well. The 'phase-in' part is because we expect some families to resist this move, which is fine as long as they then volunteer to be the early-morning teachers in their wards. I'm excited about this!
  20. I understand. And on my end, I'm deeply bothered with any faith having to 'voluntarily' scale down their places of worship in a bid to speed up the approval/construction process. We have a large Ahmadi refugee community here in our city, and it has taken them five years just to secure a block of land. In the meantime, they have been using a run-down shopfront in an industrial estate as their mosque. They have repeatedly complained to my boss about the difficulty of this situation but then didn't want her to say anything to the government about it for fear that would torpedo their hopes of ever securing land. They expect it will take another five years, at least, to clear all the hurdles from the development application process and get the mosque built. A mosque or a Hindu temple is as important to me as a temple longed for by Latter-day Saints.
  21. You've seen Hindu temples before, I'm guessing. I'm having difficulty trying to imagine having this conversation with our local Hindu community. Telling people they can only build a temple if it doesn't actually look like a temple (to them) violates the core principles of modern liberalism that we as a nation at least pretend to value. Telling them they can speed up the process if they do the same is almost as ugly. On this point, I love the statements of the Prophet Joseph regarding the welcome in Nauvoo to all world religions. As a Church member, I've been encouraged to help renovate a Catholic cathedral and to help build a Hindu Temple. I've seen our facilities freely offered to various Christian and non-Christian faiths, and I've been on the receiving end of the same. I suspect you're right. It appears to be baked into the progressive agenda. There are certainly reasons why the Church has asked us to familiarise ourselves with and advocate for religious liberty as a principle. As a historian, I'm mindful of the thousands of gallons of blood that European soil soaked up before people finally realised that freedom of conscience and expression have to be honoured and protected if peace is to exist in a society.
  22. I'm missing why this comment has drawn so much interest. We've scaled our temples to local demands for many years. We are in the process of building temples of all kinds of different sizes. Congo, by the way, has been dedicated. The one in Cabo Verde went from announcement last year to groundbreaking this year. The one just dedicated in Haiti is small. But if the demand is large, it doesn't make sense to build small. And governments that understand and honour the need for faith groups to have suitable places of worship will facilitate that happening. Our government here doesn't get it. At all Our local Hindu community has the money and plans to build a temple complex. This would include a library, a meeting hall, the temple itself, supplementary temples, amenities, etc. They keep being offered blocks of land too small for a single temple. Meanwhile, I've just completed a summary of a bill that the government has tabled that would attach uses to community land based on 'government priorities'. So if the government decides that a district needs a sports field or a theatre but not a place of worship, none of the land will be available for a temple of any kind, end of story. This is not an accident. I sat in the briefing with the minister's staff. They told us that currently 85 per cent of applications for community-zoned land is for places of worship, but they want to 'rebalance' that. I asked if that meant fewer places of worship would be approved under the new legislation. Answer: yes. So faith communities that have raised money and obtained architectural plans, etc. are going to be told no based on 'government priorities'. In fact, they won't even be allowed to make an expression of interest because, when the land is released, it will have a designated use already attached to it -- not based on what community members want but based on what the government knows they should want. And even those that are successful in obtaining a lease on land will be provided with a list of government provisions. The example in the bill -- certainly not an accident! -- is requiring that a place of worship be open to the public and mandating which days and hours it must operate. Annual reports will need to demonstrate that these provisions have been met, and the government can force the community organisation to be audited up to twice per year at its own expense if any doubts remain. Failure to comply will result in the loss of the land and any structures built on it. This is the reality of living under a self-designated 'progressive' government that prides itself on its 'diversity'.
  23. Lobbing intentionally incendiary bombs and then pretending the reaction is a case of 'striking nerves'?
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