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  1. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Oh, we kept inviting him to purely social things in the very beginning, but he said he didn’t want to come unless we promised not to discuss anything Church related. After awhile, we gave up.
  2. My irony meter was just tripped again.
  3. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Yep. Back when I was still a PhD student, a member of our ward decided to leave the Church over the issue of gay marriage. In doing so, he vocally told everyone to back off and let him go. So we did. Months later, he stopped by my place and started to complain vehemently about what hypocritical fake friends we all were because no one had reached out to him. I reminded him that he had told us that that's what he wanted. I pointed out that we were just genuinely respecting his agency. But he wouldn't be satisfied. I'm 100% confident that if we'd kept reaching out to him against his wishes, he would have been complaining on some internet forum somewhere that we wouldn't respect his boundaries. In some cases, one just can't win.
  4. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Based on the questions I respond to in a temple recommend interview -- and specifically numbers 3, 4 and 9 -- the recommend in my wallet is a physical assertion of my 'faith in the truth claims of the church'. But you and I've been 'round this particular corner before, I recollect ...
  5. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I personally can't reconcile the portion before the 'but' with the portion following the 'but'.
  6. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I don't think you get to decide on behalf of any victim whom s/he is required to trust.
  7. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    'Pet dogs - owned by a child's family, relative or close friends - are responsible for 84 per cent of dog bites, a new study has found. Another 8 per cent of children were bitten by a neighbour's dogs, meaning only 8 per cent were bitten by a stranger's dog, the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons Congress in Sydney heard last week' (link).
  8. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    No one, of course, does, but we have some patterns. These are the most up-to-date child sexual abuse data from the nation where I live: For female victims (74% of total), abusers are listed from most to least common: another male relative (35.1%) father or stepfather (16.5%) family friend (also 16.5%) acquaintance or neighbour (15.4%) another known person (11%) stranger (8.6%) another female relative (1%) mother or stepmother (0.6%) For male victims (26% of total), abusers are listed from most to least common: another known person (27.3%) stranger (18.3%) another male relative (16.4%) acquaintance or neighbour (16.2%) family friend (15.6%) father or stepfather (5%) Significantly, 34% of this child sexual abuse is perpetrated by other children (under age 18); 7% of sexual abuse is perpetrated by children under the age of 12. The younger the child victim, the more likely it is that the perpetrator is another young person. Other children and young people, for example, are the offenders in 43% of assaults on children under age 6.
  9. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Duplicate.
  10. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I've always been the counsellor over Young Men, so I've never had that experience with a Beehive, but I've had it with heaps of deacons and even a few teachers. (I've even had some ask, 'Is that about not drinking or smoking?') My response was always, 'The Law of Chastity teaches us that we shouldn't engage in sexual behaviour outside of marriage or do things that will make that harder'. I never once had a boy who didn't know what I was talking about at that point.
  11. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    This sounds like a variation of all the fantasies that Elder Uchtdorf was dog-whistling to faithless progressives when he served in the First Presidency because he was secretly on their side. Good point.
  12. Hamba Tuhan

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Based on the chatter in some online apostate forums, I fully expect ministering companionships to be the next target. The end game is the complete dismantling of the Church's teachings (or at least a crippling of its ability to teach them) as well as a complete dismantling of the Church's structures. I've mentioned before that we have a 'progressive' shadow minister in our national parliament who has gone on record that, in government, she would take steps to ban faiths teaching people that they can change. There goes the entire Christian message of redemption ...
  13. Hamba Tuhan

    Stake disciplinary council

    Speak or ask questions? Our current stake president has the high councillors submit all their questions through him so that he can protect the other person from unduly harsh, prying or otherwise inappropriate questions. I don't think anyone would be inclined to ask those, but this is a good safeguard, in my opinion.
  14. Hamba Tuhan

    Stake disciplinary council

    Except that it's not unpleasant. At least I've never seen it be. Typically, a disciplinary council ends with hugs and tears (not sad ones), former strangers in many cases having now become friends. As I mentioned in discussing our last stake disciplinary council, immediately afterwards both husband and wife sent me Facebook friend requests. I didn't even know them before; we're genuine friends now. Sincere repentance is beautiful and joyful -- and humbling for all involved. I've never left a council without a greater resolve to be more diligent in humbly seeking forgiveness for myself, following the brave example of those who are determined to put their mistakes behind them. At least, that's been my experience.
  15. Hamba Tuhan

    Stake disciplinary council

    It has been my experiencee that any attempt to follow the Saviour leaves all involved feeling uplifted and edified, including correction. No doubt, humility would be a precursor to such an experience, regardless of whether one were being corrected or doing the correcting.
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