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  1. Hamba Tuhan

    Come follow me

    We struggle to get through a portion of a Sunday school lesson now as it is. The more people who are eager to share their personal experiences, the quicker the lesson goes.
  2. Hamba Tuhan

    Evolution

    Now you're conflating dinosaurs evolving into lizards and birds with the processes of evolution in general. We can observe the evolution of bacteria, for example, over just a few years. You may relate these concepts (evolution and the age of the earth) in your head, but they are not coterminous, and one is not necessarily a proxy for the other. On the issue of 7,000 years divided into seven 1,000-year periods, check standard Bible commentaries. There you'll find that the Hebrews used a number of figures as 'round' or 'indeterminate' quantities. Thousand was one of these, meaning a very long period of time or a great immensity. I know we think we don't do things like that anymore, but hundreds (!) of times I've heard native English speakers say something like, 'There are a couple of people in the room', when, in fact, there might be three or five people in the room, and they're not even together. Couple in contemporary English has become one of those indeterminate numbers that doesn't carry its literal meaning: two people or things of the same sort considered together. If, for example, I asked you to 'give me a couple of examples', would you automatically understand that I'd asked for exactly two examples of the same sort, or would you understand this request to be the equivalent of 'give me a few examples' of possibly various sorts? The revelation in the D&C explicitly states its intertextuality with Revelation, which is filled with the usage of round, indeterminate numbers, often intended to convey immensity or a long time. Beyond all this, the Latter-day Saints had canonised scripture (Abraham) that taught us the relativity of time decades before Einstein.
  3. Hamba Tuhan

    Come follow me

    I think you need to check your manual again. The idea is to study the material during the week before the corresponding lesson is given at church. This could certainly be in a family home evening, but it needn't be. And if it's in a FHE, it could be on Sunday or any other day that works for you.
  4. Hamba Tuhan

    Come follow me

    Yep. I have found repeatedly that revelation is most likely to come when we're already on the move, doing something, getting our feet wet. People who wait for God to speak before taking action mostly just hear silence. The Spirit is expert at guiding a moving object.
  5. Hamba Tuhan

    Come follow me

    Just do it.
  6. Hamba Tuhan

    Evolution

    Evolution as a process. Age of the earth. They're not the same issue.
  7. Hamba Tuhan

    Evolution

    You seem to be conflating two issues here.
  8. Hamba Tuhan

    Come follow me

    I strongly suspect this will prove to be one more brass serpent for modern Israel. I fully expect many more.
  9. Hamba Tuhan

    And now, Gina Colvin faces a Disciplinary Council.

    It's a very interesting question. If we knew each other in real life, I suspect we could productively discuss it in person. Based on past experience, I doubt that's even possible in an online forum. No, I wouldn't wish it on anyone either. I much prefer seeing people find peace and joy and enjoy things like revelation and visions, healings and other miracles. I could, of course, be deceived, but my PhD in history suggests (to me, at least!) that I'm not unfamiliar with honest inquiry or critical thinking. Which just seems to contribute to the overall question. All best!
  10. Hamba Tuhan

    Come follow me

    We got our manuals about two weeks ago. My housemate and I have already started studying the preliminary material together in preparation. Since he has a roster that changes from week to week and I work crazy hours for a politician (which some weeks can be 11 to 12 hours per day), our plan is to catch up with each other every Sunday to pick a mutually suitable time slot for our weekly household study session. Just doing the preliminary study together has been enjoyable and has palpably sanctified our home. I'm all in!
  11. Hamba Tuhan

    And now, Gina Colvin faces a Disciplinary Council.

    Same! That was my point.
  12. Hamba Tuhan

    And now, Gina Colvin faces a Disciplinary Council.

    I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect that this would be Ms Colvin’s description of my ward and your ward too ... whether we might agree or not.
  13. Hamba Tuhan

    And now, Gina Colvin faces a Disciplinary Council.

    Yep, if what she says happened in various temple sealing rooms is truly valid in any way, then she needs to stick with the Church that had the power and authority to make those things happen. It's that simple. It's like blogging about how the Whopper is the most delicious fast food burger ever and then whingeing because McDonald's doesn't serve it I'm reminded of my flatmate who apostatised whilst I was studying in America. I'd helped another ward member come back to the Church that year, and for spring break, we planned a road trip to St Louis for his endowment. Apostate flatmate was on his way to visit his brother, and St Louis was the halfway point, so he hitched a ride with the two of us. For the first leg of the trip, he wallowed in his misery from the back seat: 'Of all the things I miss, I miss the temple the most ...' 'I wish I could be in the temple with you guys tomorrow ...' 'Man, I love the temple ...' No matter what we talked about, he managed to turn the conversation back to how much he supposedly longed to be in the temple. Because I think we're all disinclined to offend the disaffected, we just put up with it, but about three hours into this whinge-fest, I couldn't take it anymore. 'If I genuinely missed the temple as much as you claim to', I said, 'I'd move heaven and earth to be back inside. No sacrifice, no change would be too great. You're still a member; you have that option. If you're not willing to make that choice, please just shut up already'.
  14. Hamba Tuhan

    And now, Gina Colvin faces a Disciplinary Council.

    Because we're all just teetering on the brink of the same precipice you've fallen down, even if we're too stubborn or proud or stupid to admit it ...
  15. An assumption borne out how many times now when it comes to celebrity apostates? I feel quite confident the procedure is extremely rare to non-existent in any other context. I can count on the fingers of one foot the number of members I know who worry about being subject to Church discipline. The reasons are demonstrably not myriad, and the closest an 'average member' will ever get to the experience is as a member of a bishopric, a stake presidency or a high council.
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