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  1. Baptisms for the Dead in the Second Temple?

    Since Elijah was the last of the ancient prophets to hold this authority, he was the prophet chosen to come in the last days and restore that fulness. But what was the particular nature of the keys held by Elijah? Some have thought it was the keys of baptism for the dead; but it was not just that. There was no baptism for the dead in the days of Elijah, or before Christ bridged the gulf which separated the righteous in paradise from the wicked in the spirit world. Christ was the first to declare the gospel to the dead, and it was not until after his resurrection that the privilege of baptism for the dead was granted. (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:114)
  2. Progression Between Kingdoms

    All of this helps us understand an important meaning of the parable of the laborers in the vineyard, which the Savior gave to explain what the kingdom of heaven is like. As you remember, the owner of the vineyard hired laborers at different times of the day. Some he sent into the vineyard early in the morning, others about the third hour, and others in the sixth and ninth hours. Finally, in the eleventh hour he sent others into the vineyard, promising that he would also pay them “whatsoever is right” (Matt. 20:7). At the end of the day the owner of the vineyard gave the same wage to every worker, even to those who had come in the eleventh hour. When those who had worked the entire day saw this, “they murmured against the goodman of the house” (Matt. 20:11). The owner did not yield but merely pointed out that he had done no one any wrong, since he had paid each man the agreed amount. Like other parables, this one can teach several different and valuable principles. For present purposes its lesson is that the Master’s reward in the Final Judgment will not be based on how long we have labored in the vineyard. We do not obtain our heavenly reward by punching a time clock. What is essential is that our labors in the workplace of the Lord have caused us to become something. For some of us, this requires a longer time than for others. What is important in the end is what we have become by our labors. Many who come in the eleventh hour have been refined and prepared by the Lord in ways other than formal employment in the vineyard. These workers are like the prepared dry mix to which it is only necessary to “add water”—the perfecting ordinance of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. With that addition—even in the eleventh hour—these workers are in the same state of development and qualified to receive the same reward as those who have labored long in the vineyard. (Dallin H. Oaks, The Challenge to Become, Ensign, Nov 2000) Who in your opinion will receive an inheritance? The good son with the bad heart or the bad son with the good heart?
  3. Progression Between Kingdoms

    Hmm... Worlds without end sounds like endless with no end. 4 And surely every man must repent or suffer, for I, God, am endless. 5 Wherefore, I revoke not the judgments which I shall pass, but woes shall go forth, weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth, yea, to those who are found on my left hand. 6 Nevertheless, it is not written that there shall be no end to this torment, but it is written endless torment. 7 Again, it is written eternal damnation; wherefore it is more express than other scriptures, that it might work upon the hearts of the children of men, altogether for my name's glory. 8 Wherefore, I will explain unto you this mystery, for it is meet unto you to know even as mine apostles. 9 I speak unto you that are chosen in this thing, even as one, that you may enter into my rest. 10 For, behold, the mystery of godliness, how great is it! For, behold, I am endless, and the punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, for Endless is my name. Wherefore"” 11 Eternal punishment is God's punishment. 12 Endless punishment is God's punishment. (D&C 19:6-12)
  4. Progression Between Kingdoms

    So you are saying that after the final judgment the assigning of a kingdom is final and the torment is eternal?
  5. Progression Between Kingdoms

    With your position on this topic, please explain the verses below? In those verses the individuals were disobedient and rejected the gospel and yet have an opportunity to repent and be obedient to the ordinances that are required for the Celestial kingdom. 32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, or in transgression, having rejected the prophets. 33 These were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, 34 And all other principles of the gospel that were necessary for them to know in order to qualify themselves that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. 35 And so it was made known among the dead, both small and great, the unrighteous as well as the faithful, that redemption had been wrought through the sacrifice of the Son of God upon the cross. 36 Thus was it made known that our Redeemer spent his time during his sojourn in the world of spirits, instructing and preparing the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh; 37 That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words. 58 The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God, 59 And after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions, and are washed clean, shall receive a reward according to their works, for they are heirs of salvation.(D&C 138:32-37, 58-59) You seem to be pretty definitive about a topic that the Church says we do not have a definitive position. If it was absolute, I would think the Church would says o.
  6. Progression Between Kingdoms

    Amen... So, like the prodigal son, if one of Father's children has a change of heart, He is going to say, Sorry my son, your bed is made and there is no hope for you. Sorry" No, if one of Father's children has a change in desires He will "bring" them into a position they they will be as happy as they are willing to be. It is dependent upon our willingness.
  7. Progression Between Kingdoms

    Well, why don't you tell me what you meant when you referred to section 76 and what end conclusion you were driving towards.
  8. Progression Between Kingdoms

    There is never a time when the spirit is too old to approach God. All are within the reach of pardoning mercy, who have not committed the unpardonable sin(Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 191) How do you define the word never?
  9. Progression Between Kingdoms

    What is the purpose of teaching people in the spirit world about Gospel principles that include baptism for the dead and receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost if those principles do not apply to them? Is God just thumbing His nose at them? 58 The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God, 59 And after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions, and are washed clean, shall receive a reward according to their works, for they are heirs of salvation.(D&C 138:32-37, 58-59) So what do these verses mean to you? Ordinances only apply to the Celestial Kingdom. A man may be saved, after the judgment, in the terrestrial kingdom, or in the telestial kingdom, but he can never see the celestial kingdom of God, without being born of water and the Spirit. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 12) But in order to enter into the celestial kingdom, which is the kingdom of exaltation, and the kingdom spoken of in the scriptures as the kingdom of God, one must accept and abide in the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, adhering to the teachings, receiving the ordinances, and being true to the covenants which appertain to that salvation". The Prophet says a man may enter into the terrestrial or the telestial kingdom who has not been baptized with water and who has not in this life received these ordinances, but he can never enter into the celestial kingdom without complying with these eternal laws. (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2: 25) Question: Is baptism necessary to gain entry into the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms? Won't all who are resurrected and go into these lower kingdoms have to be baptized before they can leave paradise? What will happen to those in paradise who refuse to accept the gospel and accept baptism, even by proxy? Answer: The scriptures are very clear in declaring that baptism is for the celestial kingdom only. For a place in the terrestrial or the telestial kingdom, baptism is not required. (Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, vol. 5, pg. 147)
  10. Progression Between Kingdoms

    There is never a time when the spirit is too old to approach God. All are within the reach of pardoning mercy, who have not committed the unpardonable sin (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 191) The work that has been accomplished in the nations of the earth and the islands of the sea is grand and glorious. And this is not all; within the last few months thousands of persons in the spirit world have been placed in a condition that they may receive the word of God and be saved, through the ordinances that have been administered in these four temples in this Territory. A wonderful work is being accomplished in our temples in favor of the spirits in prison. I believe, strongly too, that when the Gospel is preached to the spirits in prison, the success attending that preaching will be far greater than that attending the preaching of our Elders in this life. I believe there will be very few indeed of those spirits who will not gladly receive the Gospel when it is carried to them. The circumstances there will be a thousand times more favorable. I believe there will be very few who will not receive the truth. They will hear the voice of the Son of God; they will hear the voice of the Priesthood of the Son of God, and they will receive the truth and live. These brethren and sisters that are laboring so industriously in the temples will have the honor of being, as it were, saviors to their kindred and friends in whose favor they administered these ordinances. Therefore, mourn not because all your sons and daughters do not follow in the path that you have marked out to them, or give heed to your counsels. Inasmuch as we succeed in securing eternal glory, and stand as saviors, and as kings and priests to our God, we will save our posterity. When Jesus went through that terrible torture on the cross, He saw what would be accomplished by it; He saw that His brethren and sisters"”the sons and daughters of God"”would be gathered in, with but few exceptions"”those who committed the unpardonable sin. That sacrifice of the divine Being was effectual to destroy the powers of Satan. I believe that every man and woman who comes into this life and passes through it, that life will be a success in the end. It may not be in this life. It was not with the antedeluvians. They passed through troubles and afflictions; 2,500 years after that, when Jesus went to preach to them, the dead heard the voice of the Son of God and they lived. They found after all that it was a very good thing that they had conformed to the will of God in leaving the spiritual life and passing through this world. (President Lorenzo Snow, CR, Oct 1893)
  11. Progression Between Kingdoms

    I also believe that there is potential to progress from one kingdom to another, based on a person's willingness to repent In the above verses, individuals that rejected the truth in mortality will have an opportunity to repent and be obedient to ordinances. We know that ordinances are only needed for the Celestial Kingdom, so this would indicate that they would progress form one kingdom to another. I like this quote from Lorenzo Snow. Boyd K. Packer had a great observation.
  12. Did Lehi land in Chile?

    Orson Pratt also stated Chile...
  13. This is what Susan Easton Black has in her Who's Who in the Doctrine and Covenants...
  14. Joseph's statement, "that the gentle breathings of that Spirit, which whispered me on parade, that there was mischief concealed in that sham battle" seem to be a pretty strong indication that it was the Spirit's promptings.
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