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  1. One of my favorite stories out of church history lore on this subject is the Zeke Johnson story. Whether it’s true or not is questionable, but he is certainly earnest and passionate in his telling of it. http://emp.byui.edu/huffr/Plan of Salvation/Resurrection/Zeke Johnson experience.pdf If Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones is anything more than just allegorical, then perhaps Zeke’s experience is worth consideration. At the very least, food for thought.
  2. I found this interesting in light of conventional science proclaiming no metallurgy in ancient America. Thoughts? http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/54996 ”When the first skeletal remains were unearthed, there were no grave goods found in the burial space. Complete excavation revealed that the youth was indeed buried with objects, a dozen used tools. It just took them a while to find them because they were all placed in one location: on his chest with his hands on top of them. They were tools, most of them bronze — a fine-toothed saw, an axe, several knives, a chisel — and had originally been bundled in fabric as well. Some fragments of that textile have survived.” “Even stronger evidence that the young man was a professional metallurgist is the inclusion of slag in the burial. A byproduct of the smelting of ore, slag isn’t found at random in Wari tombs. Archaeologists believe it was a deliberate burial meant to symbolize his trade.”
  3. That is indeed a positive outcome, and I too enjoyed it from home yesterday. Hope you're enjoying retirement Scott! I'm glad to be out of that world as well. The things I miss are far less than the things I don't miss.
  4. I have a huge problem with the Kate Kelly stunt and the crowd she said she represented. The news footage you saw was likely shot by me, as I was at the park with them during the "protest" for KSL. I can tell you that the phones only came out AFTER the cameras showed up. And even then it was very sporadic. They were not there to watch the session on tv, but to be on tv. The whole event smelled fishy from the beginning and got worse as it went on. Kate was supposedly the music director in her ward. When she decided to lead everyone in a "hymn", with one of the most recognized and loved hymns in the church, The Spirit of God Like A Fire is Burning, she had to look up the words on her phone in order to lead just the first verse. It wasn't the first time the media have been exploited in this fashion, but the event and subsequent events of that story still leave a bad taste in my mouth.
  5. For all we know, the pageant preps and ever expanding pageant creep was encroaching on Cumorah's cave. Maybe it's time to move the wagon-loads of plates, but there's those darned stage lights right on top of the burried opening... 😉 Maybe it is from God...
  6. It doesn't bother the Lord to talk about it, we probably shouldn't let it bother us... Amos 8: 11 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a afamine of bread, nor a bthirst for water, but of hearing the cwords of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall arun to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. 13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
  7. Where did I get that idea? From your post... theplains asked: Is the LDS Church deceiving people by teaching them that the flood was worldwide? Sources: https://www.lds.org/bc/content/ldsorg/children/resources/topics/animals/Noah-and-the-Flood-2002-10-friend.pdf https://www.lds.org/friend/2002/10/for-little-friends/noah-and-the-flood?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/flood-at-noahs-time?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/ensign/1998/01/the-flood-and-the-tower-of-babel?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-gospel-doctrine-teachers-manual/lesson-6?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/friend/2010/03/jehovah-keeps-his-promises?lang=eng You said: "I think those manuals are incorrect." So if you really think that one can dismiss the teachings of the church based on the fallibility of man, then there is no truth, nor can there ever be. I repeat, that's a dangerous road.
  8. So anything we do t agree with doctrinally we can wave off as being... “but there are undeniable errors.” That’s a dangerous road.
  9. You do know that BYU is accredited... and have to teach certain things. I hope you also know that their science faculty don’t write church manuals or determination doctrine.
  10. Fortunately the correlation committee is kept to a higher standard than "I think". But if you have a problem with what is being taught, I suppose you could write a letter or go see your SP. Don't think it would do any good though.
  11. I believe so yes. But what did that mean 2000 years ago in Israel? We’ as it the same as today? I think that would be hard to determine. Even if one made the determination strictly on Mary’s lineage and not God the Father, King David, from whence Mary came, is described in scripture as ruddy, or reddish in appearance. I don’t think anyone knows except for guessing.
  12. I’ve never seen a Thor / Viking Jesus. Although I’m sure he used a hammer as a carpenter.
  13. Why do you get to decide what Jesus looked like based on just his maternal parentage? Do you know the DNA of God the Father?
  14. There sure seems to be a lot of doubt here as to the veracity of the Snow vision claim. Yet, I have yet to see anyone post the ensign article written by his grandaughter, referencing said visitation where he himself told her. Are you all saying she lied sharing such sacred things openly to the whole church? https://www.lds.org/ensign/2015/09/a-visit-from-the-savior?lang=eng “One evening while I was visiting Grandpa Snow in his room in the Salt Lake Temple, I remained until the door keepers had gone and the night watchmen had not yet come in, so grandpa said he would take me to the main front entrance and let me out that way. … After we left his room and while we were still in the large corridor leading into the celestial room, I was walking several steps ahead of Grandpa when he stopped me and said: ‘Wait a moment, Allie, I want to tell you something. It was right here that the Lord Jesus Christ appeared to me at the time of the death of President Woodruff. He instructed me to go right ahead and reorganize the First Presidency of the Church at once and not wait as had been done after the death of the previous presidents, and that I was to succeed President Woodruff.’ “Then Grandpa came a step nearer and held out his left hand and said: ‘He stood right here, about three feet above the floor. It looked as though He stood on a plate of solid gold.’ “Grandpa told what a glorious personage the Savior is and described His hands, feet, countenance, and beautiful white robes, all of which were of such a glory of whiteness and brightness that he could hardly gaze upon Him. “Then he came another step nearer and put his right hand on my head and said: ‘Now, Granddaughter, I want you to remember that this is the testimony of your grandfather, that he told you with his own lips that he actually saw the Savior, here in the temple, and talked with Him face to face.’”
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