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  1. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    For now, just rent something cheaper up in the foothills... then wait until the seas heave themselves beyond their bounds with all the tectonic movements, cleaning out the beach homes in the Malibu district, then swoop in and get something for pennies on the dollar...
  2. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    He is kind of on to something. Just don't tell him that: Moses's rod acted kind of like a wand. It even turned into a snake like some possessed horcrux. Joseph in Egypt gazed into his precious silver cup and practiced divination. Elisha uttered a curse against young boys and they were torn apart by bears. Drawing lots with strange markings was a favorite method of divining God's will. Saul consulted a Urim for guidance. Paul cursed someone with blindness. Jesus spat in clay and cured blindness. He changed water to wine, made dead people rise, shriveled plants he didn't like with a curse, disappeared into thin air... etc. Peter cursed a lying woman and she died. John said God would give a white stone with secret words written on it to believers... And that's just a few... Those pesky prophet and their magic... I'm totally thinking a biblical Harry Potter remake is in order...
  3. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Nice pic, looks like the Cliffs of Insanity. Inconceivable.
  4. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    That's the view of some. Other's look at massive unbroken folded layers of rock along fault lines that would have required intense heat and horizontal thrust to create. That is not something that happens over 200 million years. Scientists base their assumptions on current movements and measurements. I say they are shortsighted. When God describes the process as the "...avoice of many waters, and as the voice of a great bthunder, which shall cbreak down the mountains, and the valleys shall not be found." ...Then I can safely say that I refuse to pray at the alter of science. I'll respect it, and value it's contributions, but don't accept all as truth, just because society tells me to.
  5. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Why do you think this teaching originated with Joseph Fielding Smith? “The Eternal God hath declared that the great deep shall roll back into the north countries and that the land of Zion and the land of Jerusalem shall be joined together, as they were before they were divided in the days of Peleg. No wonder the mind starts at the sound of the last days!” -Joseph Smith CFR? I don't believe Pres. Nelson believes in a young earth. He does however, teach no death before the fall. Those are not one and the same, not at all. Here you go. These are all current manuals in the curriculum. All reference a very real and physical separation of the continents post flood as well as point to their return to their original state. Old Testament Manual, Chapter 4: https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-student-manual-genesis-2-samuel/genesis-4-11-the-patriarchs?lang=eng Old Testament Manual, Chapter 16: https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-student-manual-kings-malachi/chapter-16?lang=eng Old Testament Manual, Chapter 18: https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-student-manual-kings-malachi/chapter-18?lang=eng New Testament Manual, Chapter 55: https://www.lds.org/manual/new-testament-student-manual/revelation/chapter-55-revelation-12-16?lang=eng Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, Section 133: https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-student-manual/section-133-the-lords-appendix-to-the-doctrine-and-covenants?lang=eng Ensign articles: https://www.lds.org/ensign/1973/03/early-families-of-the-earth?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/new-era/1971/03/gondwanaland-what-it-means-to-latter-day-saints?lang=eng Some statements from the prophets: Joseph Smith That it comes to open the way for Zion to rise and put on her beautiful garments and become the glory of the earth, that her land may be joined, or married (according to the known translation of Isaiah) to Jerusalem again, and they be one as they were in the days of Peleg. 12 John Taylor #1: How far the flood may have contributed, to produce the various changes, as to the division of the earth into broken fragments, islands and continents, mountains and valleys, we have not been informed; the change must have been considerable. But after the flood, in the days ofPeleg, the earth was divided.— 13,—a short history, to be sure, of so great an event; but still it will account for the mighty revolution, which rolled the sea from its own place in the north, and brought it to interpose between different portions of the earth, which were thus parted asunder, and moved into something near their present form; this, together with the earthquakes, revolutions, and commotions which have since taken place, have all contributed to reduce the face of the earth to its present state; while the great curses which have fallen upon different portions, because of the wickedness of men, will account for the stagnant swamps, the sunken lakes, the dead seas, and great deserts. 14 #2: . . . after the flood, in the days of Peleg, the earth was divided.—See Genesis 10:25,—a short history, to be sure, of so great an event; but still it will account for the mighty revolution, which rolled the sea from its own place in the north, and brought it to interpose between different portions of the earth, which were thus parted asunder, and moved into something near their present form . . .” 15 Joseph Fielding Smith #1: I have here a clipping from “Believe It Or Not” by Ripley which I cut out of the paper January 15, 1941; it is too small for you to see, but I will gladly pass it around. In this Ripley shows that you could take all the land surface of the earth, if you had the power to do so, and fit it like a jigsaw puzzle altogether again. You hang a map up on the wall and take a look at it; and if you have one you do not care much about take your scissors and clip out along the coast of South America and North America and see if you cannot fit them together with the coastline of Europe and Africa.” In the restoration of all things this is going to be accomplished. I am not saying that because of any statement that is made by some scientist. I am not saying it because I have imagined such a thing, because I have looked at a map. I am saying it because the Lord Himself has said it. If you are willing for me to depart from the standard works of the Church and present to you some of the sayings that have been made by some of the leaders of the Church, I would like to read one or two things to you; at least, to show that I am not so far off the track. I have good company, anyhow. When I have the Prophet Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and Parley P. Pratt and Orson Pratt and John Taylor and others all on my side, I think I have some pretty good company, and I would rather have that company than this uncertain company that has an idea that things began way back millions, no, billions of years ago in the sea and have developed to what they are now. 16 #2: THE EARTH HAS UNDERGONE MANY CHANGES It should also be remembered that this good earth has passed through a great many changes since the days of Eden. The Bible teaches us that in the beginning all the water was in one place. Therefore all the land must have been in one place. 17 Therewere notan Eastern and aWestern Hemisphereat the time of Adam. It is very strange, but nevertheless true, that some of the greatest events that have occurred on the face of the earth have been passed over in the Bible with the slightest mention; for example, in Genesis 10:25 , we read: And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one wasPeleg; for in his day was the earth divided.” This is a very brief statement of one of the greatest events that ever occurred on the face of this terrestrial globe, yet there is scientific evidence that this very thing happened. In the beginning the land surface was one vast continent; there came a time when it was divided, and other continents were formed and theWestern Hemisphere came into existence, but this was long after the time of Adam. Speaking of this great event Dr. Immanuel Velikovisky, in his book, Earth in Upheaval, makes the following comment: The theory of drifting continents, debated since the 1920’s has its starting point in the similarity of the shape of the coastlines ofBrazilandAfrica. This similarity (or better, complementation) plus some early fauna and floral affinities suggested to Professor Alfred Wegner of Cruz in the Tyrol that in the early geological age these two continents, South America and Africa, were one land mass. But since animal and vegetable affinities, could also be found in other parts of the world, Wegner conjectured that all continents and islands were once a single land mass that in various epochs divided and drifted apart. Those who do not subscribe to the theory of continental drift continue to explain the affinity of plants and animals by land bridges” or former land connections between continents and also between continents and islands. 18 #2: This, of course, has little to do with the Garden of Eden, but it does show that there have been great changes on the earth’s surface since the days of Adam. 19 #3: . . . the Eternal God hath declared that the great deep shall roll back into the north countries and that the land of Zion and the land of Jerusalem shall be joined together, as they were before they were divided in the days of Peleg.No wonder the mind starts at the sound of the last days! 20 #4: THE JEWS ARE TO GATHER ATJERUSALEM From this and other revelations in the Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine and Covenants, we are informed that the Jews are to gather atJerusalem. On this, the American Continent, the converted Israelites and Gentiles are to gather with the Latter-Day Saints and the revelation states that those who come from among the Gentiles are to flee” untoZion. However, they are not to go out in haste,” that is to say, the Latter-day Saints are preparing the way. They are building the temples and the highways and performing the labors which are necessary for the tribes ofIsraelwhen their prophets shall speak to them and they shall receive their call to come toZion. We know very little about the lost tribes,” who they are or whence they will come. For our present needs, it is sufficient to rely on the word of the Lord concerning these tribes and of their coming, and the Lord has revealed the following: And he shall utter his voice out ofZion, and he shall speak fromJerusalem, and his voice shall be heard among all people; And it shall be a voice as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder, which shall break down the mountains, and the valleys shall not be found. He shall command the great deep, and it shall be driven back into the north countries, and the islands shall become one land; And the land of Jerusalem and the land of Zion shall be turned back into their own place, and the earth shall be like as it was in the days before it was divided. 21 #5: We read in Genesis that in the beginning all of the land surface was in one place as it was in the days of Peleg, 22 that the earth was divided. Some Bible commentators have concluded that this division was one concerning the migrations of the inhabitants of the earth between them, but this is not the case. While this is but a very brief statement, yet it speaks of a most important event. The dividing of the earth was not an act of division by the inhabitants of the earth by tribes and peoples, but a breaking asunder of the continents, thus dividing the land surface and creating the Eastern Hemisphere and Western Hemisphere. By looking at a wall map of the world, you will discover how the land surface along the northern and southern coast of the American Hemisphere and Europe andAfricahas the appearance of having been together at one time. Of course, there have been many changes on the earth’s surface since the beginning. We are informed by revelation that the time will come when this condition will be changed and that the land surface of the earth will come back again as it was in the beginning and all be in one place. This is definitely stated in the Doctrine and Covenants in the following words: When the Lamb shall stand upon Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand, having his Father’s name written on their foreheads. Wherefore, prepare ye for the coming of the Bridegroom; go ye, go ye out to meet him. For behold, he shall stand upon the mount of Olivet, and upon the mighty ocean, even the great deep, and upon the islands of the sea, and upon the land of Zion. 23 TIME OF EARTH’S RENEWAL NOT KNOWN Just when this great change shall come we do not know. If, however, the earth is to be restored as it was in the beginning, then all the land surface will again be in one place as it was before the days ofPeleg, when this great division was accomplished. Europe, Africa, and the islands of the sea includingAustralia,New Zealand, and other places in the Pacific must be brought back and joined together as they were in the beginning. Before this great work will be accomplished, the prophecy in relation to the tribes ofIsraelas recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants must be fulfilled. Through the preaching of the gospel in all parts of the world, the preparatory work is being accomplished. The lost tribes” will be discovered and, as the revelation states, the lost sheep among the gentiles will flee toZionand the Jews toJerusalemas the Lord has decreed. The Redeemer will come to take his place as King of kings, and the great day of the millennial reign will be ushered in. 24 When that day comes great changes shall take place upon the earth. We believe this is a day of restoration, and that the earth is to be renewed. 25 In this renewal we are informed that the Lord shall command the great deep, and it shall be driven back into the north country, and the islands shall become one land; and the land of Jerusalem and the land of Zion shall be turned back into their own place, and the earth shall be like as it was in the days before it was divided.” 26 The notion prevails quite generally that the dividing of the earth in the days ofPelegwas a division politically among the people, but from this word of the Lord we gain the idea that the earth itself was divided and that when Christ comes it will again be brought back to the same conditions physically as prevailed before this division took place. The sea is to be driven back into the north. The land is to be brought back as it was originally and the lands of Zion (America) andJerusalem (Palestine and all the land pertaining unto it) will be restored to their own place as they were in the beginning. The Savior will stand in the midst of his people, and shall reign over all flesh. We have discovered in our study that the wicked, or all things that are corruptible 27, will be consumed and therefore will not be permitted to be on the earth when this time comes. 28 RESTORATION OF THE EARTH. Joseph Smith gave this inspired summary of latter-day events: There shall be famine, and pestilence, and earthquake in divers places; and the prophets have declared that the valleys should rise; that the mountains should be laid low; that a great earthquake should be, in which the sun should become black as sack-cloth of hair, and the moon turn into blood; yea, the Eternal God hath declared that the great deep shall roll back into the north countries and that the land of Zion and the land of Jerusalem shall be joined together, as they were before they were divided in the days ofPeleg. No wonder the mind starts at the sound of the last days!” 29 30 CIVILIAZATION BEGAN INAMERICA. Contrary to popular belief the western hemisphere is where civilization began. The Lord revealed that Adam-ondi-Ahman, a place inDaviess County,Missouri, is where Adam dwelt after he was driven out of the Garden of Eden. The scriptures say that Adam journeyed to the East of Eden and at that portion of the garden from whence he was driven the Lord placed Cherubim to prevent Adam returning. The Garden of Eden, then, must have been on the western hemisphere. It stands to reason, this being true, that the antediluvians also dwelt on this western hemisphere before the division of the earth. Just what was the nature of the land surface of the earth when Noah built hisArkmay not be definitely known, but this we know—if we accept the scriptures—that in the beginning all the land surface of the earth was in one place. The dividing of the continents did not take place until after the flood, for it was in the days ofPelegwhen the earth was divided. Some have maintained that this division had reference to the parcelling out of the land surface among the tribes and peoples as they scattered forth over the earth. This interpretation, however, cannot be maintained in the light of what is written. The Lord has promised us that in these last days in the restoration of all things the land surface shall once again be brought back to the condition in which it was before it was divided. This will come at the time of the second advent of Jesus Christ, for he has said: And he shall utter his voice out ofZion, and he shall speak from Jerusalem, and his voice shall be heard among all people. And it shall be a voice as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder, which shall break down the mountains, and the valleys shall not be found. He shall command the great deep, and it shall be driven back into the north countries, and the islands shall become one land; And the land of Jerusalem and the land of Zion shall be turned back into their own place, and the earth shall be like as it was in the days before it was divided.— 31 32 Here the Prophet tells us that the dividing of the earth was in the days of Peleg. When Christ comes, it will be brought back again as it was before it was divided. 33 Harold B. Lee Some time ago I met a woman in Connecticut, an investigator, who was introduced to me by the missionary who had been teaching her the gospel. I said to her, Tell me, what was it that first attracted you to this church?” She thought for a moment and then said, Well, I will tell you, Brother Lee. I had been raised in a sectarian church, and when I started coming to this church, there was something about your missionaries that caught my attention. When they stood up to speak, their faces seemed to shine, and that is something I had never seen in the preachers of my church.” Do you know what that shining was? It was the power of the Holy Ghost, which our teachers are privileged to receive if they will only keep the law that our Heavenly Father has laid down as a requisite for their preparation. A missionary told how he was cornered by an atheist who ridiculed many of the teachings of the scriptures. The atheist confronted our missionary before the congregation, an untrained, unschooled young man whom we had dared to send out without his having gone to a theological seminary for training and indoctrination in all the teachings of the gospel. Think what a chance we take in sending our missionaries out, unprepared except for the power of the Holy Ghost. The atheist said, Why, it is preposterous for you to say that you believe in a Bible that teaches about a creation when the land was together and the water was all together.” Then he read to the missionary from the Book of Genesis, and continued, Now look at the earth. Here it is divided into many parts and oceans between. How will you explain the inconsistency in this?” Well, the missionary did not have the answer, but he bowed his head and silently prayed, Heavenly Father, give me your Spirit to tell me what to say.” Then he raised his tear-stained face, and up above the audience, at the back of the hall, he read these words: Genesis 10:25 . In the days ofPelegthe earth was divided.” Never in the world had he ever read this scripture. He did not know it was in the Bible, but he saw it there on the wall, and he was able to respond, under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, to the atheist’s question. 34
  6. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Just buy your beachfront on the west coast and you'll be fine... ;-)
  7. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    The two verses before this are instructive too. 22 And it shall be a voice as the avoice of many waters, and as the voice of a great bthunder, which shall cbreak down the mountains, and the valleys shall not be found. 23 He shall command the great deep, and it shall be driven back into the north countries, and the aislands shall become one land; The returning of the continents at the 2nd Coming to their original state isn't going to be a gradual thing, it will be loud and swift and literal. This isn't talking about heritage or social relationships. Is it too hard to believe that God is capable of doing this as he says in the scriptures... 4000 some odd years ago, or reversed in the near future just like he says?
  8. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Since Costner said Iowa was heaven, then I think New Jersey might be a little close for Telestial Hell.
  9. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    No, the current manuals teach this... D&C manual, old testament manual (multiple times), bible dictionary, topical guide, all reference the division as a physical separation. Then there are many prophetic statements sprinkled throughout curriculum as well, including those by Joseph Smith. The argument that this is not a current correlated teaching doesn’t work.
  10. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    If you're referring to how people treat LDS teachings, you may want to acknowledge that the church teaches that there was no ocean near North Carolina at the time of Noah. It would have been butted up to N. Africa somewhere. The division of the continents didn't occur until a couple hundred years after Noah, per correlated teachings.
  11. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Um, yes. And he's explained himself quite well on the matter. He didn't do it without weeping, or knowing the cost and consequences. I don't think anyone thinks he's the kind of God you're making him out to be. Moses 7: 33 And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father; but behold, they are without affection, and they hate their own blood; 34 And the fire of mine indignation is kindled against them; and in my hot displeasure will I send in the floods upon them, for my fierce anger is kindled against them. 35 Behold, I am God; Man of Holiness is my name; Man of Counsel is my name; and Endless and Eternal is my name, also. 36 Wherefore, I can stretch forth mine hands and hold all the creations which I have made; and mine eye can pierce them also, and among all the workmanship of mine hands there has not been so great wickedness as among thy brethren. 37 But behold, their sins shall be upon the heads of their fathers; Satan shall be their father, and misery shall be their doom; and the whole heavens shall weep over them, even all the workmanship of mine hands; wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer? 38 But behold, these which thine eyes are upon shall perish in the floods; and behold, I will shut them up; a prison have I prepared for them. 39 And that which I have chosen hath pled before my face. Wherefore, he suffereth for their sins; inasmuch as they will repent in the day that my Chosen shall return unto me, and until that day they shall be in torment; 40 Wherefore, for this shall the heavens weep, yea, and all the workmanship of mine hands.
  12. Sevenbak

    Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    President Nelson believes in no-death before the fall, as well as being an anti-evolutionist. I don't think he would have any issues with his Church's teaching of a global flood. So while I don't know for sure if he's a global floodist, I do know for sure that right now he's a global tourist.
  13. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I understand your position, but think it a dangerous road.
  14. I also noticed that you didn't include the culminating statement following what you snipped. Verse 38: 38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same. The Lord, though his spirit, speaks to his servants to establish his word. If one thinks His word actually means something else, then I suppose that's a problem... for the individual thinking that. It's comforting to know that the doctrines don't change via committees of intellectualism. They tried that with the creeds of early Christendom. Look where that led.
  15. This is a little too highbrow ark steadying for my taste. I think there are better ways to err on the side of truth than discounting the prophets and the church's established curriculum.
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