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  1. Actually, that's exactly what the means. The bias just needs to be acknowledged and compensated for. But to pretend that a Church can approach questions regarding their foundational book of scripture without bias is facile.
  2. I have to admit I kind of rolled my eyes when I heard about the protests, but holy cow, if these are the "improvements", I seriously overestimated the wisdom with which the policies had been created and enforced over the last 50 years. I guess the first clue should have been when they brought in Wolfgang Schwanitz as a consultant in the early 1990s and he told them their protocols were too extreme for him to work with them in good conscience.
  3. FWIW, I thoroughly enjoyed Barlow's book on the subject: Mormons and the Bible
  4. Sounds like things are getting interesting in Redding, CA. There's a megachurch that has become very intertwined in the politics of the city, and opened a large school that teaches faith healing and other gifts of the spirit. The school is called (no joke) "The School of Supernatural Ministry." https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/meet-the-young-saints-of-bethel-who-go-to-college-to
  5. I don't know how easy it is to find a specific talk, but the BYU conference corpus is pretty amazing for finding conference content: https://www.lds-general-conference.org/
  6. If Nelson considered the story to be figurative and without a historical, physical basis, then how is the part about humans having 12 pairs of ribs compared to other animals having 13 relevant to the talk? If I told you that I believed that God had cursed dachshund dogs with elongated bodies because they were disobedient in the pre-existence, and by the way, dachshunds really do have elongated bodies, but then back-pedaled and said I just meant it figuratively, would that make any sense? The fact that dachshunds actually have elongated bodies is only relevant if the previous statement is meant to be taken literally. If Nelson had thought it the rib story was figurative, he wouldn't have mentioned the fact (or "fact") about humans having fewer ribs. Or he would have said
  7. Au contraire. Nelson is obviously speaking literally. He thinks that a physical, actual rib from the physical, actual man Adam was taken and used to form the physical, actual Eve. He is only ascribing metaphorical meaning to what it means that it was a rib. But he thinks that it actually, physically happened, because he thinks there is still an actual, physical effect that can still be seen in our anatomy all these thousands (probably six thousands) of years later. He's saying that this explains why we have fewer ribs than other mammals. It explains an actual, physical phenomenon. It's possible the origins of the story are based on some ancient storyteller noticing the difference in rib count and creating the story to explain the difference. But that would be the opposite of what Nelson is doing. This contradicts the statement in the manual, where it says that, based on Kimball's statement, the entire story is figurative and that Eve was not actually, physically created from an actual piece of bone from the actual, physical Adam.
  8. GA Tad Callister recently released a book titled "A Case for the Book of Mormon" wherein he tries to make a defensive case for the book. Part of the book was recently published at LDS Living: 7 Ways the Bible Prophesies of the Book of Mormon David Bokovoy, a biblical scholar who is familiar to many of us, has taken to his Facebook page to share his thoughts. I'll post them here for those who are Facebook averse. After reading his comments, it occurs to me that LDS leaders might be interpreting certain things in the Bible in way that is biased towards LDS teachings and might not be supported by a more objective reading of the text and context...
  9. William died in 1893. This "broadside" that he published in 1845 is...interesting: http://www.truthandgrace.com/1845WilliamSmith.htm
  10. But Van Wagnen was charged with a First-degree felony, and the guy in this thread (Jeffrey Head) was charged with a Third-degree (lesser) felony. According to this site, these are some other Third-degree felonies: So the rational thing to do is compare it to penalties given for other Third-degree felonies, not for penalties given to other more severe cases of abuse (that were charged more heavily). If the crime was mis-classified and should have been a First-degree felony, then the fault lies with the DA (I assume), and not the judge who did the sentencing.
  11. On the contrary, this is a huge loss to those who were invested in the idea that the attack was evidence of hate toward the LGBTQ+ community.
  12. Interestingly, it doesn't appear that the murders were related to the clubgoers' sexual orientation. It's obviously still a horrific tragedy, but it wasn't because they were LGBTQ+:
  13. Are you defining "radioactive" to mean "boring, irrelevant and uninteresting to most people"?
  14. It might have just been a cultural term, but it's definitely been used over the years, even by the Church:
  15. We did, but the only missionary I spoke with was a sister from the Philippines. It was really crowded. The oddest thing at the open house was that they set up a big picture of the Temple in the visitor's center that you could stand in front of to take a picture. I couldn't understand why someone would want a picture of themselves standing in front of a big picture of the Temple when the real thing was just outside.
  16. The Oakland, CA temple just finished a year-long remodel, and they had a public open house. Since it was the temple of my youth (and where I was married), my wife and I drove up for the last day of the open house to tour with some friends. One of the friends wasn't a member of the church, so I tried to see how the tour would be from her point of view. The most interesting thing I noticed is that the word "endowment" was never used in the entire tour. It wasn't in any of the pre-show videos or descriptions of the Temple. During the tour, we would stop at each significant room in the Temple and a host would briefly describe what happens in that room. When we stopped in the prep room before the endowment (they called it the "Assembly Room"), we were told that the next room would be the "Instruction Room." Then we filed into what we would normally call the "Endowment Room." We were told that in the "Instruction Room", visitors are taught about "The creation and the story of Adam and Eve." Then they mentioned covenants with "examples" of different covenants that might be made (without actually describing any of the actual covenants). But never once was the word "endowment" used. I guess a PR guy finally told them that the word either means nothing, or something totally different, to the general public.
  17. I didn't read the article, but do the authors ever acknowledge that irrespective of Joseph Smith, someone in the world has to be "The World's Greatest Guesser"? If it isn't Joseph Smith, who do they suggest it is? Do they discuss the field of amazing guessers that would be included in the discussion? That being the case, we should probably develop a defense of Joseph Smith that goes beyond arguing that he wasn't just really good at guessing, since I'm not sure that's the foundation you want to build a religious belief on. And if that's the best defense you can come up with for someone who claimed to be a Prophet, it's honestly just a little sad.
  18. No. Find a good independent mechanic and save some money. If it needs something from the dealership (parts or proprietary software use) they'll let you know.
  19. Has Gee ever published any "standard Egyptological articles" that contained even a single reference to The Book of Abraham? Or does he have to pretend like he doesn't believe the BoA either?
  20. If I ever went to the Holy Land, I would go with Michael Medved if I wanted a non-LDS perspective: https://www.discovery.org/israel2019/ I would go with Dan Petersen if I wanted an LDS tour.
  21. Frankly, the only argument I can see that would precipitate such a change is that it would increase the birthrate in the church, which is sorely needed.
  22. Apparently only the first time. Unless this is something else we've all agreed to pretend isn't in the scriptures...
  23. The video seems to be saying that they need to tighten up their screening process. Haha. I keed. It's a good video. My only concern is that people might associate the words on the screen with the specific people being shown, which probably wasn't the intent. Also, for the claim that "8 have lived internationally", I need to know if Canada is being included in that stat.
  24. It's really not surprising. It's pretty well known that once you give someone power like that, eventually it will be abused. If only someone would have warned BYU. Oh, wait. God did.
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