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  1. I'm confused by what you mean as "false justification". As #7 points out, the man who instituted the Ban explained clearly and repeatedly why he was doing it. That being the case, we don't need to pretend like it's a mystery where the ban came from. We can either agree with that reason, or disagree with it. If we disagree with it, we simply say "Brigham Young did it for XYZ reason, but I believe he was mistaken." If that's the case, then it was simply a tragic mistake. Brigham misunderstood the scriptures and history of black people, and no one (including God or 9 subsequent Prophets) dared correct him. All the other stuff you mention is a result of that being too mentally painful for some people, and so we feel a need to come up with some psychological spackle to ease our minds. Cognitive dissonance hurts that way.
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    Attending Church

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    Attending Church

    In our lesson, when people started talking about where David made the first mistake, some suggested it was when he looked at Bathsheba on the roof and didn't put her out of his mind. I pointed out that since David could take additional wives, there was no sin in seeing a beautiful woman and wanting to be with her, even if he was married. The "sin" only started after he inquired and found out she was married (bringing up Joseph Smith's marriages to other married women would have been too much for me). That's when he should have discontinued the interest.
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    The Problem of Indifference

    Honestly, you'd probably get locked up for neglect. I mean, I might not be the perfect dad, but I can assure you none of my kids are debating whether or not I even exist.
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    Why Not Engage the Evidence for Historicity?

    The problem is that believers and critics alike aren't required to support any theory. It's not a competition where all the theories are lined up and whichever is best must be believed (and certainly, I agree that if we allow for God's intervention and can attribute anything we want to that intervention, then the theories involving God are far stronger). No, the other option is that we just don't know where it came from. In which case, the rational thing to do is withhold firm belief in any single theory (including the Divine Theory of Translation) until a theory is formulated that can't be falsified (meaning, it satisfactorily explains all the data without resorting to ad-hoc reasoning and special pleading).
  6. I'm just surprised we don't have more people waking up from NDE's saying "Get me the Mormon elders!"
  7. But the RFM (Radio Free Mormon) podcast isn't related to the RFM (Recovery from Mormonism) website...
  8. You mean like when God needed to straighten out Laman and Lemuel and sent an angel? It is weird how he sent an angel to everybody in that story, but in Joseph Smith's case only he saw the angel. God does work in mysterious ways.
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    LDS Church cancels Pioneer Day Devotional

    Since it's in California, you wouldn't even have to fully convert. I'm sure if you just told them you identify as a Catholic, Jew, Mormon etc, they'd have to give you the dinner.
  10. This is definitely a situation where only time will tell. I'm guessing that as time goes on things will get a lot worse (i.e. declining active membership). But I could be wrong and the Church will get along just fine (i.e. continue to maintain the current levels of active membership, or even grow). Either way, it's an interesting situation.
  11. That's my point. The Church found a solution to the polygamy problem and the Priesthood ban. It ended them. It seems to me that in the coming years and decades, the Church's policies about homosexual behavior and families will become a bigger problem, especially when it comes to retaining younger members and attracting new ones. But I don't see a similar "out." It seems the current strategy is to try have it both ways and stick to the traditional prohibitions while pretending everything is fine (see: this thread). But I don't think that's going to hold up indefinitely.
  12. Your information on what the trends are for worldwide acceptance of homosexuality might be a little out of date: http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/ If this survey data is correct, then it does raise interesting questions about the future of the Church. While growth in Africa appears to be good, I'm not sure I would pin the future of the Church on success in "predominantly Muslim nations" or Asia and Russia.
  13. Honestly, that's really overstating the case. In most areas, people don't want to be challenged or questioned. Churches are not unique in wishing that their claims were just accepted on faith.
  14. Talks like that make me sad, because it's obvious how deeply they care and believe, but equally obvious how little they understand. But based on the replies in this thread, I suspect that analogy isn't helpful to those who doubt. It only serves to cast those who doubt and leave as being willful doubters who chose to leave. It serves to reinforce the worldview of those trying to understand why their friends and family members are resigning.