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  1. Actually, that's exactly what the means. The bias just needs to be acknowledged and compensated for. But to pretend that a Church can approach questions regarding their foundational book of scripture without bias is facile.
  2. I have to admit I kind of rolled my eyes when I heard about the protests, but holy cow, if these are the "improvements", I seriously overestimated the wisdom with which the policies had been created and enforced over the last 50 years. I guess the first clue should have been when they brought in Wolfgang Schwanitz as a consultant in the early 1990s and he told them their protocols were too extreme for him to work with them in good conscience.
  3. FWIW, I thoroughly enjoyed Barlow's book on the subject: Mormons and the Bible
  4. Sounds like things are getting interesting in Redding, CA. There's a megachurch that has become very intertwined in the politics of the city, and opened a large school that teaches faith healing and other gifts of the spirit. The school is called (no joke) "The School of Supernatural Ministry." https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/meet-the-young-saints-of-bethel-who-go-to-college-to
  5. I don't know how easy it is to find a specific talk, but the BYU conference corpus is pretty amazing for finding conference content: https://www.lds-general-conference.org/
  6. If Nelson considered the story to be figurative and without a historical, physical basis, then how is the part about humans having 12 pairs of ribs compared to other animals having 13 relevant to the talk? If I told you that I believed that God had cursed dachshund dogs with elongated bodies because they were disobedient in the pre-existence, and by the way, dachshunds really do have elongated bodies, but then back-pedaled and said I just meant it figuratively, would that make any sense? The fact that dachshunds actually have elongated bodies is only relevant if the previous statement is meant to be taken literally. If Nelson had thought it the rib story was figurative, he wouldn't have mentioned the fact (or "fact") about humans having fewer ribs. Or he would have said
  7. Au contraire. Nelson is obviously speaking literally. He thinks that a physical, actual rib from the physical, actual man Adam was taken and used to form the physical, actual Eve. He is only ascribing metaphorical meaning to what it means that it was a rib. But he thinks that it actually, physically happened, because he thinks there is still an actual, physical effect that can still be seen in our anatomy all these thousands (probably six thousands) of years later. He's saying that this explains why we have fewer ribs than other mammals. It explains an actual, physical phenomenon. It's possible the origins of the story are based on some ancient storyteller noticing the difference in rib count and creating the story to explain the difference. But that would be the opposite of what Nelson is doing. This contradicts the statement in the manual, where it says that, based on Kimball's statement, the entire story is figurative and that Eve was not actually, physically created from an actual piece of bone from the actual, physical Adam.
  8. GA Tad Callister recently released a book titled "A Case for the Book of Mormon" wherein he tries to make a defensive case for the book. Part of the book was recently published at LDS Living: 7 Ways the Bible Prophesies of the Book of Mormon David Bokovoy, a biblical scholar who is familiar to many of us, has taken to his Facebook page to share his thoughts. I'll post them here for those who are Facebook averse. After reading his comments, it occurs to me that LDS leaders might be interpreting certain things in the Bible in way that is biased towards LDS teachings and might not be supported by a more objective reading of the text and context...
  9. William died in 1893. This "broadside" that he published in 1845 is...interesting: http://www.truthandgrace.com/1845WilliamSmith.htm
  10. But Van Wagnen was charged with a First-degree felony, and the guy in this thread (Jeffrey Head) was charged with a Third-degree (lesser) felony. According to this site, these are some other Third-degree felonies: So the rational thing to do is compare it to penalties given for other Third-degree felonies, not for penalties given to other more severe cases of abuse (that were charged more heavily). If the crime was mis-classified and should have been a First-degree felony, then the fault lies with the DA (I assume), and not the judge who did the sentencing.
  11. On the contrary, this is a huge loss to those who were invested in the idea that the attack was evidence of hate toward the LGBTQ+ community.
  12. Interestingly, it doesn't appear that the murders were related to the clubgoers' sexual orientation. It's obviously still a horrific tragedy, but it wasn't because they were LGBTQ+:
  13. Are you defining "radioactive" to mean "boring, irrelevant and uninteresting to most people"?
  14. It might have just been a cultural term, but it's definitely been used over the years, even by the Church:
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