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Bernard Gui

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  1. I’ve observed it several times. Some were up close and personal. I don’t minimize the pain. One can choose the public declarations one makes. I have had my own faith crises but I refrained from telling Sunday School classes about them.
  2. Those in Bountiful were not faithless at all. When they saw him descending from heaven, “they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them.” They believed this was an angel - they simply did know who he was until he said, “I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.” Each of those in Jerusalem and in Bountiful who became witnesses of the resurrection heard a voice in their ears, saw him with their eyes, and felt him with their hands. Being a foundational witness of the resurrection involved these three basic senses: hearing, seeing, and touching in addition to the witness of the Spirit. There’s the old adage “your eyes can deceive you.” For this reason I believe it is reasonable to conclude Thomas also felt his wounds when Jesus commanded him to do so. Jesus had given the same invitation to the 10 when he appeared to them earlier. The Lehites received the additional witness of the voice of the Father. If Thomas became a witness after only seeing, wouldn’t he then have displayed greater faith than the other witnesses who touched? Even less reason to call him Doubting Thomas.
  3. We agree to disagree, then, when it comes to Thomas. See my response below.
  4. The implication is often there, though. “It can be difficult to believe that something is true without seeing physical proof. You may at times feel like Thomas, who said, “Except I shall see … I will not believe” (John 20:25). In response, the Savior said to Thomas, “Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed” (John 20:29).” Come Follow Me June 24-30 “Thomas: In the New Testament, one of the original Twelve Apostles chosen by the Savior during His mortal ministry (Matt. 10:2–3; John 14:5). In Greek the name is Didymus (John 20:24–29; 21:2). Though Thomas doubted Jesus’ Resurrection until he personally saw the Savior, his strength of character made him willing to face persecution and death with his Lord (John 11:16; 20:19–25).” Guide to the Scriptures. My point is that except for one occasion with the resurrected Lord, the other witnesses are never mentioned as doubters. None of the them believed until they saw him and touched him either.
  5. Were you at the FAIR conference that he attended? I got the same impression when I met him there. He seemed genuinely surprised that there were answers to his questions. I think he was a nice fellow, but a bit naive.
  6. The question was, has he made any corrections to his letter as a result of those criticisms as Richard Abanes did with his book? Some of the same people responded to both the CES letter and ONUG.
  7. As is often the case, what at first seems a serious problem on further study ceases to vex, and sometimes even bolsters the target of the critic. But when the damage is done, it’s difficult to undo. I’m reminded of our experience here with One Nation Under Gods by Richard Abanes. A weak member or an uninformed non-member could come away from that book abhorring the Restoration and looking for a rope with which to hang some Mormons. But a closer look revealed it to contain a plethora of misinformation and disinformation. After some careful checking, I came to the conclusion that one could randomly open the book and find at least one howler on the page. That proved to be true. To Abanes’ credit, he came here to defend his work and received many well-deserved lumps. He even showed up at a FAIR conference! His second edition was cleaned up a bit, but it was still dismal. He should have paid some residuals for all the free editing and fact checking. So, has the author of the CES Letter made corrections when confronted by criticism such as this excellent presentation by Scott Gordon (and many others)?
  8. Perhaps we are expected to consider the WoW as it is and draw conclusions for how we live it?
  9. Would someone please volunteer to give the closing prayer?
  10. Scriptures, quotes, and the handbook are all we have to work with at this point. Doing the best with what we got. Warning duly noted.
  11. Yes, I work very hard at being ridiculous. Thanks for noticing!
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