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Bernard Gui

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  1. Bernard Gui

    Aprons of Fig Leaves and Coats of Skins

    It does ring a bell.
  2. At the end of Alma 37, Alma gives his final instructions to his faithful young son Helaman. After encouraging him always to be obedient to God’s commandments and to pray to God continually, Alma uses the Liahona as an object lesson to teach Helaman how to obtain eternal life through following the words of Christ. Using analogy, Alma compares the Liahona, the temporal compass provided by God to Lehi, with the words of Christ, the spiritual guide provided to all by God. In this remarkable passage, Alma, like all good teachers, repeats this image three times, and like a good Nephite teacher, he uses a parallelism to increase the impact. Alma employs the alternate parallel form, one of the most common and effective forms of poetic parallelism in the Book of Mormon. It appears hundreds of times. An alternate consists of two or more lines that are repeated in parallel order. The simple alternate form is outlined ABAB. Extended alternates are outlined ABCABC, etc. Alma uses three extended alternates in rapid sequence to instruct his son. A For behold, it is as easy to give heed to the word of Christ, B which will point to you C a straight course to eternal bliss, A as it was for our fathers to give heed to this compass, B which would point unto them C a straight course to the promised land. The A phrase compares the ease of heeding the words of Christ with the ease of looking at the Liahona. The B phrase describes the purpose of A which is to point the course. The C phrase declares the final destination of those who follow A, salvation and arrival at the promised land. A For just as surely as this director did bring our fathers, B by following its course, C to the promised land, A shall the words of Christ, B if we follow their course, C carry us beyond this vale of sorrow into a far better land of promise. The A phrase again compares the words of Christ with the Liahona, but in reversed order. The B phrase indicates what we should do with A – follow their directions, and the C phrase gives the destination of those who do B – the promised land and a far better place, eternal life. A for so was it with our fathers; B for so was it prepared for them, C that if they would look they might live; A even so it is with us. B The way is prepared, C and if we will look we may live forever. In this last alternate, Alma personalizes the analogies of the first two. The A phrase compares the Nephite fathers (Lehi and Nephi) with Alma and his son Helaman. The B phrase indicates that God prepared the ways of direction for all of them. The C phrase compares the physical salvation of the Nephite fathers by following the Liahona with the spiritual salvation promised to all of us who will look upon Christ. Alma concludes his instructions with another impassioned fatherly plea that his son rise to the greatness of his calling. This passage indicates deliberate logical planning on the part of Alma in giving crucial instructions to his son prior to his death. This is what Alma thought would be of most worth to his son - look to Christ. It gives us insight into the Nephite mind, especially that of a powerful and gifted leader. I am so grateful for the Book of Mormon and the beautiful intricacies that await in its pages for us to discover. (Thanks to Donald Parry for his marvelous edition of the Book of Mormon. Poetic Parallelism in the Book of Mormon: The Complete Text Reformatted. Maxwell Institute, 2007). Your comments are welcomed. Here is the passage in context.
  3. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    Thanks for a straight-forward thoughtful reply. We may all be able to get somewhere with your question if you appear to take others seriously. That wasn’t so hard was it,. There’s hope for you yet. How would some form of deism solve your issue with God’s apparent poor parental abilities? Seems to me it just trading one set of questions for another. FYI, You won’t get away with much with Mark.
  4. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    Perhaps. I hope your notes are in tune. So far they’ve been randomly discordant, but having taught junior high music for 35 years, I’m used to that. It’s all in fun, right? Back to your OP. What have you learned about your initial question?
  5. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    You asked how LDS handle these things yet when given answers from their experiences in dealing with the same issue you simply dismiss them out of hand. What do you really want here? Are you seriously looking for resolution or just having some online fun? It appears what you may want here is to have a place to vent so other people can validate and console you, and to be amused by those who won’t. Great. The only person who can solve your dilemma is you, and you know that very well. If you indeed have the long experience you claim in the Church, then you know what to do. For you, your position is valid. It’s your baby...you get to burp and change it. So we are still where we were at the start. I wish you well on your quest.
  6. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    Interesting response.
  7. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    If he knocks, you must answer the door. How would you know that the person introducing himself, or herself, is God?  Not sure what you’re implying.  I witnessed my father’s miraculous conversion to the gospel. I was in the room when it happened and saw the change it made in him for the rest of his life. When I have doubts or troubles, I find it helpful to remember what God did for my father. Like this when Alma was saying farewell to his son Helaman.... And in the message he delivered to his people on his missionary journey.... Of course, this probably will not convince you nor will it solve your problem. Or maybe you might consider what God did for your grandmother.
  8. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    Gladly, if, as I suggested earlier, you will stop and consider beforehand that what you write often comes across flippant and dismissive, even puerile, such as your calling a spiritual experience goosebumps and a feeling in the gut. That is incorrect and offensive. I have never heard a Mormon describe it as anything like that.
  9. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    Alma said if we always remember what God did for our fathers (and grandmothers) we won’t go wrong.
  10. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    You have stated you do not accept “goosebumps or feelings in your gut” as legitimate communication from God. Goosebumps I understand, but I assume “feelings in the gut” is your hip dismissal of what some describe as a burning in the bosom. Of course, that phrase is easily mocked, but for lack of a better term, for many people I know there is something very real about the feeling one has when one is communication with God. But since you reject that, perhaps there is something you could accept. If God were literally to say hello to you (to reach out and you heard his voice, would that be better? What evidence would you accept and how would you know it was from God? How would you recognize any attempt by God to communicate with you? How do you know that others are incapable of or deluded into recognizing God's influence in their lives? 
  11. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    Those are pretty evasive answers for a guy who is looking to discuss ideas. Your initial posts have often referred to fear of being banned or displeasing the mods. Do you know anything about the mods here? We have a very free discussion here with just a few restrictions, mostly having to do with temple content and abusive or disrespectful behavior. Do you have a problem refraining from those? If not, you don't have much to fear. If God were to say hello to you (to reach out), what form would that take that you would accept and how would you know it was from God? How would you recognize any attempt by God to communicate with you? How do you know that others are incapable of or deluded into recognizing God's influence in their lives?
  12. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    Yet you joined anyway. So you must be looking for something from us. What would that be? There are very good specific reasons for limited participation as a new member. What specific things do you do that you fear would get you banned here?
  13. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    What would you accept as an recognizable and appropriate hello?
  14. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    Mirrors are helpful tools. Not all experiences are fun. In fact, most aren’t. How do you know he is withholding them from others?
  15. Bernard Gui

    The Problem of Indifference

    Perhaps you should try reading your responses from the point of view of those to whom you are projecting your ill will and spend a moment wondering what kind of response you might expect to get back...one that simply strikes back in like manner, one that increases understanding, or one that results in being ignored. Have you been banned before?
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