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  1. The November 2015 was the impetus for my family's resignation because we believed it to be intentionally harmful. I have to say I'm surprised because the church really doubled down on the previous policy with revelation claims. This is a step in the right direction. Phaedrus
  2. It was one of a few listed items from their research that were specifically important to women. Another was.... More info like the link they published to their 2016 Next Mormons Survey? And of course the book. Phaedrus
  3. At least you are willing to share your opinion even though you admittedly don't know the context. Phaedrus
  4. I included a link to the full news article in the original post which has many details on the years of research they used in their 328 page book. Phaedrus
  5. If you want full police powers you need equal accountability.
  6. That is just misdirection. You called a serious academic work, published by respected individuals , by a major academic press something "of questionable origin" and some "nutty surveys". Those are very specific criticisms you offered. Phaedrus
  7. This is how you characterize an academic volume written by a women with a PhD in American religious history from Columbia University, co-written with a professor of political science, and published by Oxford University Press? How are you remotely qualified to question this? This is a serious question for you Nehor. Phaedrus
  8. Maybe I didn't make it clear in my first post. I see it but I was surprised to see that for some of these women it remained the last situation in there life where they were experiencing sexism. The fact that sexism wasn't in the other parts of their life is a positive.
  9. Like the law, religious discussions often are filled with citation and quotations from those with authority. While it's possible to find many exceptional quotes from LDS women none of their teaching carry the weight of authority. While it's possible to quote a modern prophet or apostle statements as having greater authority than one of their predecessors it's not possible to use a woman's statement the same way. It will be a good day when that is no longer the case. Phaedrus
  10. I think you might be confusing generations. I know multiple bishops and RS presidents that are millennials. Phaedrus
  11. Next time someone bears their testimony you should correct them and tell them they don't "know the church is true" they just have a viewpoint. Or do you only change truth to viewpoints when you disagree with the information? Phaedrus
  12. The good part is these women don't actually need you to believe them. They get to speak their own truth. Phaedrus
  13. The Salt Lake Tribune recently discussed Jana Reiss' new book The Next Mormons: How Millennials Are Changing the LDS Church. The findings of their research including items where younger generations of Mormons are much more socially liberal than the older generations. The above quote from the book really stood out to me. Unfortunately sexism and gender discrimination has been bad in many societies but I think the trend has been moving against this for a century. In the secular world not only is discrimination based upon sex highly unethical but probably illegal. I hadn't considered the perspective of a woman enjoying a life free from discrimination because of her gender everywhere but within the organization of the church. Phaedrus
  14. It was the editor of the Washington Post that gave the informant that pseudonym. Bob was revealed as a informant to Bob Woodward but I think Ichabod Crane would have been more suitable but maybe not as anonymous. Now to get back on topic. I'll have to give this a listen when I have the availability. Hopefully it's more thoughtful discussion than debate. Phaedrus
  15. I'll admit I was a little sad to learn he wasn't Deep Throat in the Watergate scandal. He was considered by many to be a leading candidate. Phaedrus
  16. I don't know Jim Bennett but seeing Bob Bennett's name come up reminds me how much of a decent man I thought he was. I remember just a few years ago while on his deathbed he wanted to apologize to all Muslims for Donald Trump's words. Politics could use a lot more Bob Bennetts these days. Phaedrus
  17. This post made me wonder what ever happened to Sonia Johnson. There is a great recent article about her in the Salt Lake Tribune. The most interesting part to me was about her and her female partner. That's a interesting arrangement. Phaedrus
  18. The pencil test was a well known test of African heritage. What I don't recall was the circumstance I remembered it used by missionaries. Phaedrus
  19. I seem to recall reading about a "pencil test" in the hair of Brazilian men. If you could stick a pencil in their curly hair and it stayed it was because of their "negro blood". If it fell out you could give them the missionary lessons. I couldn't find anything with a quick search so I may be thinking of a apocryphal story that I was told rather than read. Phaedrus
  20. I know quite a few people over the years who have put children up for adoption or been adoptive parents themselves. In my experience the situation that has brought the most joy for everyone involved was where the adoptive parents and the child could maintain contact with the biological parent(s). I've seen this communication happen though an intermediary with cards and pictures exchanged a couple times a year or where the families stay connected with direct contact and even semi regular visits. These are complex situations with many types of emotions on all sides. I admire both sides for making loving and selfless decisions to hopefully raise a child in a good home. The 2018 movie Instant Family was a pretty good show about the adoption and foster system that gave this old softy a few tears. Phaerdrus
  21. If you look at the history of Utah politics you'll see that Mormons were predominately Democrats up until the late 60's early 70's. The two issues that seemed to push Mormons to the Republican party were first civil rights and then the ERA along with the rise of very conservative leaders like Ezra Taft Benson. There is a reasonable argument that the highest national political office ever held by a active Mormon was Harry Reid as the Senate Majority Leader. Phaedrus
  22. Dag nabbit. I clicked back a couple pages and even did a search and didn't find a duplicate.
  23. "A new two-page, handwritten note offers evidence of who ordained Able to the priesthood, the exact date of that ordination, as well as a variety of other tantalizing details. It is, in fact, a rush of new information about Able, his ancestry, a bit about his wife, Mary Ann, and mostly about his ritual relationship to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It was found in the Joseph F. Smith papers and has been verified to have been written by Smith." Keepapitchinin, The Mormon History Blog offers more details on the discovery. http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2019/01/18/guest-post-newly-discovered-document-provides-dramatic-details-about-elijah-able-and-the-priesthood/ The basics are that Elijah Abel was ordained and Elder by Ambrose Palmer, on 25 January 1836, he received a ministerial certificate and license from Joseph Smith himself, he received his washings & anointings in the Kirtland Temple, and was later ordained a Seventy. The new documents also show Joseph F. Smith was dishonest in 1908 when he said that Joseph Smith declared Abel's ordination "null and void" when he was one of the few people who knew the exact opposite was true. Phaedrus
  24. Baby don't hurt me........
  25. From what I understand the new Saints book does cover it more than has been done in the past. The Wheat and Tares blog has some coverage of the book and polygamy if you are interested. Phaedrus
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