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  1. So we know that anyone who has identified as gay or having such feelings will have their records annotated. This has kept people from the lowest levels of leadership in the church, let alone the highest callings. Second is your qualification that gay men married to women would be eligible. I have yet to see any such situation reach the level of bishop or branch president in leadership. We know there were leaders in the past that lived lives as secretly gay but I haven't heard of any with the pretend marriage scenario you mention. In both scenarios women and the LGBT community are less than full equals in the church. Phaedrus
  2. The present treatment of women and the LGBT community by the church is analogous to the treatment of blacks prior to 1978. Back then people defended the church and said that black people were treated no differently and our beliefs weren't racist. People who openly criticized the church's racist policies back then were brave and I believe people need to be willing to do the same now. Here is a easy question. Can a gay man or a woman be a mission president? Phaedrus
  3. There are so many mixed messages from the church about the LGBT community. For every nice act there is hurtful and harmful rhetoric. It's like watching the happy social media posts of a friend you know is being beaten at home. Yes there has been positive steps but the beatings haven't stopped. As Nina Simone said so well "You've got to learn to leave the table when love's no longer being served." I understand for so many people this means disconnecting from an entire culture and support system. I believe staying in a culture that considers your flawed, defective and inferior is harmful. Phaedrus
  4. The church was on a winning streak with the removing the November policy and new civil marriage rules. By experience we knew it couldn't last. Phaedrus
  5. I seem to recall many years ago people using the terms "chapel Mormon" and "internet Mormon". The difference being the former is a believer without much exposure to the critical details about the church but the former is aware. Since the word Mormon is now a victory for Satan should this also be considered as offensive? Phaedrus
  6. The November 2015 was the impetus for my family's resignation because we believed it to be intentionally harmful. I have to say I'm surprised because the church really doubled down on the previous policy with revelation claims. This is a step in the right direction. Phaedrus
  7. It was one of a few listed items from their research that were specifically important to women. Another was.... More info like the link they published to their 2016 Next Mormons Survey? And of course the book. Phaedrus
  8. At least you are willing to share your opinion even though you admittedly don't know the context. Phaedrus
  9. I included a link to the full news article in the original post which has many details on the years of research they used in their 328 page book. Phaedrus
  10. If you want full police powers you need equal accountability.
  11. That is just misdirection. You called a serious academic work, published by respected individuals , by a major academic press something "of questionable origin" and some "nutty surveys". Those are very specific criticisms you offered. Phaedrus
  12. This is how you characterize an academic volume written by a women with a PhD in American religious history from Columbia University, co-written with a professor of political science, and published by Oxford University Press? How are you remotely qualified to question this? This is a serious question for you Nehor. Phaedrus
  13. Maybe I didn't make it clear in my first post. I see it but I was surprised to see that for some of these women it remained the last situation in there life where they were experiencing sexism. The fact that sexism wasn't in the other parts of their life is a positive.
  14. Like the law, religious discussions often are filled with citation and quotations from those with authority. While it's possible to find many exceptional quotes from LDS women none of their teaching carry the weight of authority. While it's possible to quote a modern prophet or apostle statements as having greater authority than one of their predecessors it's not possible to use a woman's statement the same way. It will be a good day when that is no longer the case. Phaedrus
  15. I think you might be confusing generations. I know multiple bishops and RS presidents that are millennials. Phaedrus
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