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  1. I know that Clark and I have both been on the various iterations of this board from the beginning and I've enjoyed quite a few stimulating discussions with him. My sympathies and condolences to his family. Phaedrus
  2. Of course murder is wrong and immoral. For example we know rape is a horrible crime and we know it's not as bad as murder. The church has specifically said this on many occasions like Would you still be willing do defend Abraham if he agreed to the lessor sin of raping Isaac? If not then why are you defending him for willing to commit a greater sin? Phaedrus
  3. You can see a few versions using the internet archive they save a version every few years. Here is one from 2014 you'll notice a lot of the language is similar but not exactly the same. For example in the last paragraph you'll find You'll notice that paragraph isn't the same as the 2019 version. Phaedrus
  4. Look again it's not the same. 2006 says it's fine to call the Mormon Tabernacle Choir by that name as it was up until 2016. You'll notice that isn't there along with a few other parts of the entry.
  5. Yes but Handbook 2 deep inside the church's website isn't guidance for outsiders. It's specifically for members and this is clearly a retreat from the hyperbolic "victory for Satan" rhetoric. Phaedrus
  6. Wow that escalated quickly. I like how the people who drowned were the bad guys in your story not the person who killed them or the surviving the family that repopulated the earth with incest. In my universe the good guys are the ones that don't do the killing or have incestuous relations with family members. Of course I also don't think negativity surrounding the word Mormon peaked 6 months ago and the present "victory for Satan" stuff will be relegated to the dustbin of history. Phaedrus
  7. I saw it on Kate Kelly's Twitter that this change was made yesterday to Handbook 2. I looked up the section in the handbook and posted the screenshot from what I found. Phaedrus
  8. On the recent thread DeseretNews: Focusing on the name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there was a lively discussion regarding the use of the term Mormon, whether is was really a victory for Satan and whether the new policy was a permanent change or a temporary. I predicted it was more like New Coke but others strongly disagreed and said it was revelation reinforced by scripture. Well it looks like Handbook 2 has been updated and the softening has begun. It looks like everyone can go back to being Mormons again. Phaedrus
  9. I didn't put words in your mouth. I literally used the quote feature just like I did here.
  10. If you have to make an argument to say it's subjectively "as good as" revelation you are saying it's not quite revelation. But even if it was there is recent precedent showing even a new policy received by revelation isn't permanent if it's unpopular. Nelson literally said in his conference address "if we allow nicknames to be used or adopt or even sponsor those nicknames ourselves, He is offended." Nobody is suggesting he hates the name Mormon like he hates character in the BOM. It's clear what the context is. There is one nickname used in reference to the church in 99.99% of the time. And again to repeat my point they aren't removing his name from the church because it isn't his name. Phaedrus
  11. Nelson also declared on multiple occasions that the November policy for children of same sex couples was direct revelation from the lord. They haven't used the "R" word for the name preference yet so reversing course will be easy when it happens. I think that the best evidence that the institutional church knows the change is temporary is the recent round of cease and desist letters Intellectual Reserve have been sending out to websites using the name "Mormon" in their title. And regarding the savior and the name of his church we all know that has changed multiple times since it was first revealed and we all know his name isn't Jesus Christ. If you saw him walking down the street and said "Hey Jesus" he would go "Who?". If god is offended by the name Mormon I would expect that he would really be offended we have been calling him by the wrong name all these years. Phaedrus
  12. Not a great analogy because it's understood that sports stadiums change names and do it often. A better analogy would be when Snoop Dogg changed his name after 20 years to Snoop Lion or when Prince changed his name into a symbol. Both were well know in the public space and had build a brand and image under that name. If you only called them by their new name people are going to be confused. Neither name change lasted and I think everyone realizes this present focus is going to be about as successful as New Coke. Phaedrus
  13. Someone should ask Sam Young if their new website looks familiar. Phaedrus
  14. If the Mormon pioneers settled in Northern Mexico 1847 then why do scouts put America flags all over Utah streets to celebrate the holiday? That's portraying pioneers as anti-Americans to the point you're suggesting they would even go to war against the USA.
  15. I assume this is the blog for Stephen Smoot. I can't quite put my finger on it but he always comes off as lacking self awareness in a Dunning-Kruger way for me. His apologetic style is definitely leans towards more DCP and the old FARMS that modern Mormon Studies. Phaedrus
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