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    New documentary on Book of Mormon witnesses

    Ditto. The Lord called his Witnesses for a particular purpose and they have responded to the call magnificently.
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    Left Hand

    I used to duct tape my young left-handed son's left hand to discourage him from using his left hand. Just kidding. I tell him that all the time to tell him that is what is wrong with him (as he is preparing to enter law school).
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    Left Hand

    I kind of like your JSF quote. Somewhere I read recently that JSF was in a ward meeting where the congregation had to wait until he received the sacrament. When he complained about this new practice, he remarked that he must have been absent from the Quorum when this rule was instituted.
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    Statement on Book of Mormon geography

    I don't find this argument even remotely compelling. In particular, John Sorenson in Codex both (1) advanced this particular argument and (2) quoted from some supposed sources linked to Joseph Smith advocating a Mesoamerican geography. I really don't know what to make of Book of Mormon geography at this point. Joseph Smith certainly spoke authoritatively about it, authored or edited articles in the Times and Seasons about a hemispheric model, claimed to have dreams about it and spoke about it. When he spoke, people listened and mimicked him with articles and sermons of their own. But does it really matter? I suppose it matters just a little, but not enough to warrant an entire life's work to it.
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    Statement on Book of Mormon geography

    Again, generalized statements don't fly here with me. I'm not convinced. It is not different than saying that absence of proof is not proof of absence when, in fact, it is.
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    Statement on Book of Mormon geography

    You are indeed correct. My paper on the subject (see cite above) notes that. Certainly a major fact contraindicating the Church's published stance on geography. I am in close relationship with one BYU professor of major distinction in Church history and theology, and he is firmly wedded to the Sorenson model. I strongly believe he had much to do with that publication in the Ensign. FARMS was created, in part, to advance the Sorenson model. FARMS was acquired by BYU. But, my paper traces some of Dr. Sorenson's proofs to argue that they are frivolous. To the extreme, in fact. What do my thoughts mean to the Latter-day Saint who believes in the Book of Mormon? Why do I advance my thoughts against the Sorenson model? I believe the Sorenson model was developed to defend against the claim that there is no real hard evidence of a Book of Mormon civilization in the Americas. The Sorenson model draws the theoretical basis for the Book of Mormon's history to such a narrow area that it suggests that finding nothing elsewhere is meaningless. The Sorenson model is a sort of backhand slap to a belief in the Book of Mormon as Joseph Smith saw it. My paper documents a few efforts to attack Joseph Smith. I think that because Joseph Smith saw the Book of Mormon to be a hemispherical text, as that is the promise of the new land and New Jerusalem, we should have faith in that promise. We should have lots of faith in the text of the Book of Mormon and a lot less faith in the collateral theories meant to develop it. Part of my thinking is based, in part, upon Brant Garnder's two-volume text focusing upon the Hebrew influence on the Book of Mormon.
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    Statement on Book of Mormon geography

    Hypocrisy, collusion and lack of faith in the Book of Mormon because one does not believe in the Sorenson model sort of speaks to the fundamental problem with Dr. Sorenson's work.
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    Statement on Book of Mormon geography

    I don't see anything wrong with a theoretical map. I think the Niagara peninsula is more consistent with the Book of Mormon's account. But the evidence is so thin it really isn't worth discussing.
  9. The story of John the Baptist leaping in the womb has nothing to do with the penalty for abortion. No doubt, abortion is a heinous act and those that profit from it will find a sure place in hell, but the Bible doesn't condemn it and where it talks about foeticide, doesn't equate it with murder.
  10. The Bible condemns accidental homicide as murder, subject to taking refuge in a city of refuge. The Bible awards damages to the husband of a woman who is the victim of accidental foeticide. I don't think Onan's story has anything to do with contraception. I don't think the sacrifice to Molech has anything to do with foeticide.
  11. The Bible does not see abortion as murder.
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    Statement on Book of Mormon geography

    I don't think that the prospect of future revelation means that a particular course of study is worth studying. A subject matter, such as whether chocolate is part of the word of wisdom, is not worthy of study although theoretically, God may so reveal it. I've never heard of Riskas. My paper studying the church's view of geography, prior to the recent statement, is here . It is now dated. I tried half-heartedly to publish it but there wasn't any interest in the two venues I checked with. My paper concludes that despite the fact the Church has been officially neutral, it has leaned towards the Sorenson model. Which model I think edges on frivolity.
  13. Is this a true academic piece or just somebody's lay opinion? Peer reviewed.?
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    How was two hour church?

    I found that a few members were asking me for separate treatment for their babies; RS room after church or in the home. I went along with it but it was quite apparent that the reason they didn't want it in a sacrament meeting is that some of them didn't want to attend an LDS meeting. Thereafter I simply followed the advisement. "Before the church" does not, in my view mean, "before the family some of whom may be church members." "Before the church" means to me that the entire congregation be available to witness it.
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    A course correction for the Maxwell Institute?

    As I have pointed out on this board in the past, BYU is prohibited as an employer from publicly discussing the circumstances of Dan's change in position unless (and there are some exceptions which don't apply here).
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    A course correction for the Maxwell Institute?

    Not sure I grasp what is being said.
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    Rumors of Changes to Temple Worship

    Given that the endowment presentation used to be handled in Brigham Young's office, it is likely an acceptable stripped-down version exists.
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    Once a Bishop. Always a Bishop.

    It may be a sign of disrespect to the current bishop. It is no big deal really, but I once saw a federal judge go off the rails when the attorneys referred to another attorney as "judge" because he had recently retired and returned to attorney practice. It is very unsettling to me to have somebody refer to me as "bishop" despite the fact that it has been decades and a lot has happened since then.
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    Once a Bishop. Always a Bishop.

    As it is not covered in any priesthood manual it is just a cultural thing. There's a guy in our ward who was a bishop three times when he lived in the Philippines. He moved to our ward and is a humble guy. Both he and his wife are CPAs. Nobody refers to him as "bishop." We should resist the impulse. I always try and correct members when they call me by my prior church office except, perhaps, the wife of a much higher-ranking church authority.
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    That Deadpool Poster

    Anderson was using fairly common Adventist imagery.
  21. As I have been the ultimate decisionmaker, I can say that nobody was telling me what to do. Having said that, I don't see any problem with commentary coming from without the local organization. When I was a teenager my uncle was a stake president and he held a court to excommunicate an apostle's sister. The apostle tried to intervene to stop or frustrate it and my uncle proceeded nonetheless. So there is nothing wrong with somebody from salt lake having some sort of commentary.
  22. I can only speak from experience. In one recent case in which I was involved, a person was involved in an anti-Mormon ministry at a local major evangelical church, and specifically targeted missionaries. This person was a member of our stake. The matter resolved before the DC was held, and it did not result in excommunication.
  23. That just isn't true that all outcomes are already decided. Having been through many of these councils, in my experience only a small portion results in excommunication even though that is always a remedy. Bill wanted this outcome. Why? Who knows.
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    Bill Reel Invited to Disciplinary Council

    Bill, you and I have had our differences. You have attempted to get me banned from the board over personal differences. But I would not wish what you are going through on anybody. Best wishes.
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    Disturbing New Statistics about Seminary

    I teach early morning seminary. It is almost useless as most of the kids come in with 10 minutes to go and they are largely there for fun and games. Stake seminary teachers are not supervised all that well and are easily forgotten. But, seminary is there to permit kids to have extended contact with an adult who has been successful in the church and has a testimony. Some nuggets of information might be retained and in fact is retained. I enjoy my time, even though it severely disrupts my time to go out for a run. I think it is a big help to most. I know that at least for me, it is a big help and anchor.
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