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  1. Bob Crockett

    Here We Go Again

    And I don't see anything wrong that. When J. Reuben Clark was in power he sent gunboats to Nicaragua to oust the lawful government to protect US Oil. The US has lobbyists for Parliament. What is wrong with a foreign government trying to influence an election? Now, if the Russians used unlawful means, that is a different question. But what Congress defines as unlawful election tampering is just more of the same -- worship entrenched power.
  2. Bob Crockett

    Here We Go Again

    You are splitting hairs. The American people voted him in using constitutional principles to do so. Somewhere along the line the founding fathers determined that some votes would count more than others. Whereas I find such a principle obnoxious as a libertarian, it is a feature of republican government that in some cases some votes count more than others. I voted for Hilliary as I thought she would be the better president, but I had to hold my nose to do so. Until the electoral college is abandoned, Trump won with the vote of the American people. Today, it doesn't seem appropriate to condemn Trump for the qualities that brought him in.
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    Here We Go Again

    As a libertarian I am opposed to Trump's style. However, I cannot discount the fact that the American people voted for him, knowing full well of his proclivities. This isn't a case where, as in Nixon, perfidy came to light after the election. The people wanted an autocrat. They wanted a sexist. They wanted protectionism. Blame the American people and the system of voting we have. I don't.
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    EQP now over Ward mission leader?

    I question this. I've read Arrington's bio of Bishop Edwin Wooley in Salt Lake during Brigham Young's days. He seemed to have authority over his ward that questioned Brigham Young's.
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    EQP now over Ward mission leader?

    One of my ancestors was the first Bishop of the Payson ward, where he served for 25 years. Every 5 years or so there would be called a new "Priesthood President." The Bishop was the Church's local agent, handled tithes and the property. The Priesthood President ran ward meetings.
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    Ammon Bundy, socialists in the church?

    Classic liberalism comes from the ideas of John Locke and Adam Smith. A liberal approach to personal freedoms and economic markets leads to greater freedom. Conservatives today like to latch on to the term, "liberalism" and it sounds like "liberal" to make the point that conservatives are the true liberals. But the typical conservatives you would encounter as so far from libertarian concepts as a liberal. The basic tenet of libertarianism is to admit that any compulsion is wrong. Conservatives wage wars of aggression, imprison people for minor offenses, seek entrenched power in Washington.
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    Ammon Bundy, socialists in the church?

    As a libertarian, I've found that conservatives claim liberalism as their champion when, indeed, they are as much against freedom as liberals.
  8. Bob Crockett

    Kevin C's review of Taves, Revelatory Events.

    So sorry. I must be tone deaf. Rather than offend, I'll beat it out of here. BC
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    Kevin C's review of Taves, Revelatory Events.

    "Paradigm" is a meaningless buzzword, like "narrative." Margaret Barker lacks a real doctorate. Her conclusions conflict with elemental teachings in church manuals about Josiah and the temple. Just two minor observations. I like what Kevin has to say, but that doesn't mean I agree with it all.
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    Kevin C's review of Taves, Revelatory Events.

    I realize I'm just a dog barking in the manger, and you are highly revered here, and further that I do like your stuff, but can you write any piece without invoking "Margaret Barker" or the word "paradigm"? No personal insults. Disagree with opinions, not the words someone chooses to use. ~Mods
  11. Hey, I applaud this bishop's actions. Maybe not an enthusiastic applause, but certainly I think bishops under the direction of their stake presidents should be able to do anything within reason. The letter of the law (in the handbook) killeth, the spirit giveth life. I remember as a bishop doing weird things, like calling active out-of-wedlock persons (gay and straight), and even a non-member everybody thought was a member, to significant callings, hoping they'd want to repent. Probably wasn't right, but I look back today and see some success. I wouldn't have done it if my stake president told me not to do so, but he didn't know. Our gay members are very unhappy people, in my view. Why not help them to find happiness, because deep down someday they may want to get back in line. I, however, feel more sympathy for the plygs and wish we could try and bring them into the fold.
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    An Update from Josh and Lolly Weed

    Yes. One I have discussed at length on this board in the past, because he is now dead. He was excommunicated, reinstated and died in good standing as a high councilor in a stake in Hawaii. HIs particular offenses were quite heinous, as they involved the work he was doing for the Church and he abused his position with the youth. His name was Joseph Fielding Smith, but not THE Joseph Fielding Smith. Elder Smith is a great example of somebody who could come within the precepts of the Church. Even though he had to be exposed, and did not willingly come forward with his sins, he is a remarkable example of one who loves Jesus more than his fellow man, so to speak.
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    An Update from Josh and Lolly Weed

    Pointing out disagreements is not rejection. Asking him for his position doesn't mean that when he gives if, I must agree. Accusing a poster of not reading a post, even though there is a detailed response, is not reasonable.
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    An Update from Josh and Lolly Weed

    I appreciate all you have written here. Here's my response: 1. You lack standing to criticize the church as to its admission policies. What's next? Are you going to insist upon baptism of 7 year olds? Of persons recently excommunicated? Of persons with mental inability to choose? Of teenagers whose parents object? This so-called November policy objection is just another means to browbeat the church by people who don't care one whit about baptism. 2. It is an affront to religious freedom to say that a Church cannot enter the public marketplace of ideas to express opinions about what is, and what is not, a civil right. What's next? Exclude unions? 3. Regarding reaching out to homosexual members, I think you lack standing to tell the Church how it should minister to its members. What's next? Rant on about the various religions who practice shunning? Basically, you post offends my libertarian nature. As a libertarian, I opposed Prop 8. (But, because my stake president asked me, I flipped my outward views while indicating to all concerned that I did so because of my love for the church.) I oppose restrictions on gay couples and discrimination against them. You, on the other hand, want to impose restrictions upon others. Limit their freedoms, their worship, their thoughts, their teachings on sin, and their political advocacy. In your system, the Church would be required to do things it and most of its members don't want to do; I suppose you would, if you could, use the force of law. Time for you and your friends to live and let live. True, some conservative Christians and Mormons may not like gays. But beating up their religions is not really cool.
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    An Update from Josh and Lolly Weed

    I think you unnecessarily trivialize the issue. Fundamentally, to me it is a religious freedom issue. Critics and outsiders simply have no standing to tell a church to change its position on what constitutes a sin or what qualifications there are for a member. I think it rather abusive to browbeat the Church over this, knowing that many members trust and follow the church. How would you like it if somebody came on here and continually browbeated the Jews or Muslims for their dress? Or for their views on homosexuality? Or the Catholics for the papal position on abortion? Who are you to criticize them?
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